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#271
04-13-2007, 04:17 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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If the Imus stir does not make sense to you, here is the best explanation yet. Sport's columnist Dave Zirin: http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin04132007.html [/ QUOTE ] I understand the whole "straw that broke the camel's back" thing here, but that's not all. If that was all, Imus wouldn't be taking such a full force attack in him personally. If that was what it was, his apologies should have been accepted. 
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#272
04-13-2007, 04:26 PM
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Re: Don Imus
If the movement was so 'fringe' or 'ignored' why do so many rappers, incuding mega-stars like Tupac, feel a need to keep attacking these protesters in their songs? If they were so 'ignored' why were they able to stop the distribution of one of Tupac's albums?
Contray opinions=good Making things up in the absence of evidence=bad
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#273
04-13-2007, 04:34 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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I understand the whole "straw that broke the camel's back" thing here, but that's not all. If that was all, Imus wouldn't be taking such a full force attack in him personally. If that was what it was, his apologies should have been accepted. [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean "him personally". He's the person saying what he says. It's his show. Should people be trying to get his stunt double fired? Given his history of derogatory statements, his apology turned out to be, in terms of saving his job, virtually irrelevant (justifiably).
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#275
04-13-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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Hasn't Tupac been dead for like 10 years? [/ QUOTE ] At least. Part of my point is that some people have been protesting rap lyrics for a long time. C. Delores Tucker kicked the bucket 2 years ago, but keep up her protests until the very end. Butts got his 15 minutes of national fame when he ran over a bunch of rap cds with a steamroller. Oprah's statements were within the last year and came out of a dialogue with Ludacris and other rapper who were upset at not being invited on her show.
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#276
04-13-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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[ QUOTE ] Hasn't Tupac been dead for like 10 years? [/ QUOTE ] At least. Part of my point is that some people have been protesting rap lyrics for a long time. C. Delores Tucker kicked the bucket 2 years ago, but keep up her protests until the very end. Butts got his 15 minutes of national fame when he ran over a bunch of rap cds with a steamroller. Oprah's statements were within the last year and came out of a dialogue with Ludacris and other rapper who were upset at not being invited on her show. [/ QUOTE ] I'll give this the benefit of the doubt as the media underreporting this then, although it still doesn't really explain why Imus is being made an example of.
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#277
04-13-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: Don Imus
Is it possible to think that both what Imus said and what rappers say is equally stupid? If so, how does one avoid being lumped in as a hypocrite by seemingly every single Imus supporter who uses the "well rappers say it too" argument ?
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#278
04-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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Is it possible to think that both what Imus said and what rappers say is equally stupid? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. [ QUOTE ] If so, how does one avoid being lumped in as a hypocrite by seemingly every single Imus supporter who uses the "well rappers say it too" argument ? [/ QUOTE ] Say you think the rappers who say such things should be fired from their labels and shouldn't be played on the radio or MTV, and DJ's who play their songs should be fired, etc. etc.
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#279
04-13-2007, 07:15 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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[ QUOTE ] Is it possible to think that both what Imus said and what rappers say is equally stupid? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. [ QUOTE ] If so, how does one avoid being lumped in as a hypocrite by seemingly every single Imus supporter who uses the "well rappers say it too" argument ? [/ QUOTE ] Say you think the rappers who say such things should be fired from their labels and shouldn't be played on the radio or MTV, and DJ's who play their songs should be fired, etc. etc. [/ QUOTE ] But as you probably know you're more likely to run into "free speech" or "just change the radio station" or "just monitor what your kids listen to" arguments here. Be interesting to see if you don't.
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#280
04-13-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Don Imus
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Is it possible to think that both what Imus said and what rappers say is equally stupid? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. [ QUOTE ] If so, how does one avoid being lumped in as a hypocrite by seemingly every single Imus supporter who uses the "well rappers say it too" argument ? [/ QUOTE ] Say you think the rappers who say such things should be fired from their labels and shouldn't be played on the radio or MTV, and DJ's who play their songs should be fired, etc. etc. [/ QUOTE ] But as you probably know you're more likely to run into "free speech" or "just change the radio station" or "just monitor what your kids listen to" arguments here. Be interesting to see if you don't. [/ QUOTE ] Well, of course, but that's not the same as being called a hypocrite. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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