2nd hand story: Phil Laak $70k angle-shoot

[Ruprecht]

What you guys think is awesome is just chickenshit poker. Do you think that's what the game is about? Who can pull off the most small-time hustler moves ?

Do you think it is about the Matusows of poker badgering other players until they get them to make a mistake ?

Poker doesn't need this two-bit con stuff.

[Markusgc]

So - a little off topic, but anyway...

If Laak's opponent had agreed, would he have been able to take his chips back?

Something similar happened to me once, and it WAS a mistake. I wasn't allowed to take 'em back.

[jaminbird]

Good bump, Laak tried to do this to Antonio in on of the episodes of this seasons HSP. It was for a much smaller amount though.

[kemystery]

Kenna James wrote an article about a hand where he had a full house on the turn vs his opponents small flush, the player had 5K coming via chip runner but only 500 or so on the table - Kenna who at the time happened to be wearing headphones essentially motioned all in vs. the guy who then asked Kenna if he knew that he had 5K behind - Kenna said no and basically made a big production out of getting a floor decision on the bet - floor decision was that the bet stood for the full amount - guy called and lost - Kenna came with commentry like "Yeah right buddy, I'm a professional you think I don't know exactly how many chips you have?" in the article, I thought it was a sick play

but unless there is a specific rule in play - hey thatz poker

[Omniheart]

5k chips = pink 100 chips = white same size though
Horrible if he did that. I would stab him afterwards

[ActionJeff]

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This seems like a really really unethical move to me. But the guy who called if the chips were not similar deserves to be shot.

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This is a huge angle shoot- if its true, wow what a douchebag. How can anyone say this isn't unethical? This is the kind of [censored] that people get their legs broken for....

[Daddy Warbucks]

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Kenna James wrote an article about a hand where he had a full house on the turn vs his opponents small flush, the player had 5K coming via chip runner but only 500 or so on the table - Kenna who at the time happened to be wearing headphones essentially motioned all in vs. the guy who then asked Kenna if he knew that he had 5K behind - Kenna said no and basically made a big production out of getting a floor decision on the bet - floor decision was that the bet stood for the full amount - guy called and lost - Kenna came with commentry like "Yeah right buddy, I'm a professional you think I don't know exactly how many chips you have?" in the article, I thought it was a sick play

but unless there is a specific rule in play - hey thatz poker

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Yeah, i remember reading that and thinking "did he really just write an article about angling somebody?" and then used some flimsy pretense of "you have to use every edge and constantly be creative" or something similar.

[ActionFreak]

The people that think that the scenario described by OP is just good poker..... is it also good poker to lie about how money you have in front of you in a NL game?

[thisismyback]

What is the difference between the Laak, James, etc stories and pretending to struggle over a reraise holding AA preflop?

This past summer at the WSOP I remember witnessing a 5/10 NL hand between Ezra (99% sure it was Ezra of cardrunners) and an older gentleman at Ceasars. Ezra raised from the button and his opponent reraised from either the SB or BB. Ezra went into the tank for a good three minutes and kind of hammed it up a little bit. He moved all in and got instacalled, hhwg. His opponent got upset and another old timer got up and started berating Ezra as well, "That was classless, blahblahblah, never have I ever blahblahblah..."

Personally, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that 99/100 people are probably guilty of doing this either live or online at one time. I just don't see a difference between this circumstance and the Laak or James situations.

The losing player just got out played/hustled/smarted.

[LBK]

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What is the difference between the Laak, James, etc stories and pretending to struggle over a reraise holding AA preflop?

This past summer at the WSOP I remember witnessing a 5/10 NL hand between Ezra (99% sure it was Ezra of cardrunners) and an older gentleman at Ceasars. Ezra raised from the button and his opponent reraised from either the SB or BB. Ezra went into the tank for a good three minutes and kind of hammed it up a little bit. He moved all in and got instacalled, hhwg. His opponent got upset and another old timer got up and started berating Ezra as well, "That was classless, blahblahblah, never have I ever blahblahblah..."

Personally, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that 99/100 people are probably guilty of doing this either live or online at one time. I just don't see a difference between this circumstance and the Laak or James situations.

The losing player just got out played/hustled/smarted.

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Apples and Oranges IMO.