NL100 loose table flop str. flush draw

[WJL]

There is an argument for a push here; it all depends on your table image and how the table has been playing.

Given the fact that all the cards in this flop are low, and the raises behind you PF, it would not be surprising to find that it missed everyone, with the exception of a couple of possible flush draws. If you check, you are essentially giving up the hand, because it would be hard for you to call a significant bet with this flop. On the other hand, if you push, anyone that does not have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] would be hard pressed to call. You have most of them covered, so you have to decide from your previous experience with this table if any of them are going to put all their money in with less than A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Big pocket pairs are likely to fold, and calling you with just a straight or flush draw is a mistake. I think the only hand you have to worry about a call from is a Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], in which case you are dead to a 2 or 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or a couple of cards that give you a full. There's about a 13% chance in this case that someone has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

In any case, it all depends on how aggressive you want to be. The pot is already 50% of your stack, but you can leave your $9 there and wait for a better spot. If someone wants to try to do the math on all this, I'd be interested to see your assumptions.

[Jurrr]

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Juu, how is 3456[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s not an OESFD? Is it only because you won't get action?

[/ QUOTE ]It is an OESFD but not a real OESFD; that's what I said. Your flush is one of the worst ones imaginable so it cannot take any action.

[Thrahl]

I think shoving here is all kinds of spewy. Button is all in, there is no side pot. Shoving accomplishes what exactly?!

[good_gamble]

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Shoving accomplishes what exactly?!

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Yeah shoving is major spew, anything that calls crushes us (set, overpair with heart, made flush) and we are possibly dead to 2 outs. as someone else said, chk fold sounds good

[kurto]

People seem overly enthralled by straight flush draws. The fact that you have 2 absolute nut outs is interesting but hardly effects hand unless we're playing mega-mega-deep against someone who will never fold any hand if we hit our 2 outs.

[Javanewt]

Sorry, Juu, I'm still learning. I thought an OESFD meant one draw to a straigh-flush, not to a straight draw and a flush draw whether or not it's a straight-flush draw.

[D.L.M.]

me and future doc. [censored].
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 ($220.50)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($267)</font>
CO ($196)
Button ($202.60)
SB ($395.05)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($192)</font>
UTG ($640.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($17) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $36</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $184</font>, MP2 calls $148.

Turn: ($385) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($385) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $385

Re
Hero has 3d 3h (two pair, fives and threes).
MP2 has 7h 9h (flush, nine high).
Outcome: MP2 wins $385. </font>

[zman2245]

After thinking more about how I played this hand and reading the posts, I like this straight-forward argument from good_gamble. There's really no hands that I am beating that are going to fold to this except maybe a medium pp. So yeah I think now that check/fold is best play.

[futuredoc85]

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Shoving accomplishes what exactly?!

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Yeah shoving is major spew, anything that calls crushes us (set, overpair with heart, made flush) and we are possibly dead to 2 outs. as someone else said, chk fold sounds good

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this is mostly right. except that if we knew we were up against a set its an easy push. obv we dont though