QT bets into me in razz: call or raise

[betgo]

Razz ($30/$60), Ante $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.17 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (2.17 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___???
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___
Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

[Micturition Man]

Definite raise.

I didn't actually know this but twodimes will show you.

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]

Definite raise.

I didn't actually know this but twodimes will show you.

[/ QUOTE ]
Two dimes will show you what? I know I am ahead here.

[Micturition Man]

Will show you that you are way ahead.

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]
Will show you that you are way ahead.

[/ QUOTE ]
I know that.

[Micturition Man]

You already said that.

BTW why would you do anything but raise?

[HOWMANY]

Raise. Maybe the K2 will call 2 when he likely has a much worse 3 low. Maybe he'll fold and you'll get it heads up with what is at best a 3 card T. I would assume that your equity is quite a bit better if you are HU with the QT. I think your hand is just way too strong here to call. I was too lazy to twodimes any situations but I would be astonished if we didn't have a good equity edge if we take 5th HU or 3 handed and I would be fairly surprised if it wasn't better to be HU than 3 ways.

[bigredlemon]

[ QUOTE ]
You already said that.

BTW why would you do anything but raise?

[/ QUOTE ]because the pot is small and you don't mind the ugly K coming along spewing his chips if you hit, and saving one SB if you don't.

[halhal]

It looks like some posts have gone missing (due to the new format)? I'm reposting what I posted earlier as I had it in notepad.


Great posts betgo.
1) Based on your description, I had presumed it was SamEnole, and you've confirmed it.
2) Your rationale for limping is very solid.
3) Quick question for all: the sim says on 4th, if everyone stays in, betgo has 45% equity, versus 33% for the K and 22% for the QT. By knocking the K out with the raise and reraise, the equities become 61/39. So in one sense, SamE did good in knocking the K out and improving his own chance of winning (but I presumed, but could easily have been wrong, that the K didn't have great cards in the hole or he would have raised you on 3rd, so it was an easy fold; I did put in three cards under 8 in the sim for the King, but he may have had a 9 or even a T with two babies or worse to start with.)
Anyhoo, is it better to have 45% equity versus two players assuming 3 bets go in all the time, or 61% heads up assuming 2 bets go in on each street? Intuitively, it would seem the former? 45%*3=1.35 versus 61%*2=1.22

Btw, do you think the 2 probably called with a mediocre or worse hand, getting the rights odds to call and try to outflop you, as Sklansky on Razz states? If he had hit a good card instead of the K, do you stay in or fold without investing any more in the small pot?

[betgo]

I won't say who had QT, but it wasn't Samenole, who plays much better than that.

As for limping, I usually do it in situations like this where there are a bunch of low cards to act after me, and limping effectively improves my position on third street.