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KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
Villain is around 30/25. I am around 40/25.
We'd been involved in quite a few pots together already, and he'd got the better of me so far in two big-ish pots. In one of them he 3-bet the flop with air (J-7), and hit a 7 on the river to beat my small pair. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (9.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (7.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (9.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 11.70 BB |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
I would have put in another raise at some point especially given your image and what you've seen.
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
I cap the flop. He is prolly 3-betting the flop pretty light.
As played I think you have eq to raise turn. Oh, and [ QUOTE ] In one of them he 3-bet the flop with air (J-7), and hit a 7 on the river to beat my small pair. [/ QUOTE ] Party is such a LAG-fest these days |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
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Party is such a LAG-fest these days [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] He had AA in this hand btw, but yeah, in the long run I'm probably missing value playing KK this weak. |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
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[ QUOTE ] Party is such a LAG-fest these days [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] indeed. I never would have thought you were a 2+2er. from a pretty short session with you my notes are "donk TP into pfr 3bet Q9o from SB vs a steal, bet/3bet TT6 flop spewmonkey" edit: ive got you datamined as 45/30/2. must be some crazy variance with that style. ***** Hand History for Game 5819268409 ***** $ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:00:41 ET 2007 Table Table 126849 (Real Money) Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 229 USD ) Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 564.24 USD ) Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 111.50 USD ) Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 240.50 USD ) Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 106 USD ) Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 140.50 USD ) Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD]. xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to NHFTW [ 7s 7d ] Alimaniac folds. ludomanAKQJ folds. Flauschi83 folds. NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 raises [$ 8 USD] xPrussianx folds. NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Th, Tc ] Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD] NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] ** Dealing River ** [ 3s ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 shows [ Qh, 9s ]two pairs, Queens and Tens. NHFTW doesn't show [ 7s, 7d ]two pairs, Tens and Sevens. Catherina82 wins $ 60 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Queens and Tens. you got me calling you down pretty light after that one. got anything on me? |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Party is such a LAG-fest these days [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I'm one of them, "Catherina82". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] indeed. I never would have thought you were a 2+2er. from a pretty short session with you my notes are "donk TP into pfr 3bet Q9o from SB vs a steal, bet/3bet TT6 flop spewmonkey" edit: ive got you datamined as 45/30/2. must be some crazy variance with that style. ***** Hand History for Game 5819268409 ***** $ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:00:41 ET 2007 Table Table 126849 (Real Money) Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 229 USD ) Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 564.24 USD ) Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 111.50 USD ) Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 240.50 USD ) Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 106 USD ) Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 140.50 USD ) Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD]. xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to NHFTW [ 7s 7d ] Alimaniac folds. ludomanAKQJ folds. Flauschi83 folds. NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 raises [$ 8 USD] xPrussianx folds. NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Th, Tc ] Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD] NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] ** Dealing River ** [ 3s ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 shows [ Qh, 9s ]two pairs, Queens and Tens. NHFTW doesn't show [ 7s, 7d ]two pairs, Tens and Sevens. Catherina82 wins $ 60 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Queens and Tens. you got me calling you down pretty light after that one. got anything on me? [/ QUOTE ] I don't datamine, so all I have is 48 hands with you. You're around 25/20. Don't have any notes on you, although I remember seeing your screen name and thinking "oh he must be 2+2". To explain my play with the Q9o, well, it may look a bit retarded, but it works. I'll quite often take down a pot with air on the turn doing this - I don't do this against the idiots of course. Obviously you were calling down here and I got lucky to hit a Q. It seems that you caught me during one of my most, shall we say, "adventurous" sessions: ***** Hand History for Game 5819281527 ***** $ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 14:04:13 ET 2007 Table Table 126849 (Real Money) Seat 2 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 594.24 USD ) Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 204 USD ) Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 122.50 USD ) Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 236.50 USD ) Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 67 USD ) Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 159 USD ) NHFTW posts small blind [$ 1 USD]. Catherina82 posts big blind [$ 3 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Catherina82 [ Kd 4h ] xPrussianx folds. Alimaniac folds. ludomanAKQJ folds. Flauschi83 folds. NHFTW raises [$ 5 USD] Catherina82 raises [$ 6 USD] NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 8c, Jc ] NHFTW bets [$ 3 USD] Catherina82 calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ] NHFTW bets [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 calls [$ 6 USD] ** Dealing River ** [ 6s ] NHFTW checks. Catherina82 checks. NHFTW shows [ Qd, Ad ]a pair of Eights. Catherina82 doesn't show [ Kd, 4h ]a pair of Eights. NHFTW wins $ 40 USD from the main pot with a pair of Eights with Ace kicker. Ok, enough of the euphemisms - I was on monkey tilt that day. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Tilt is undoubtedly by biggest weakness, and I'm trying to stop it, although I have just spewed off $500 as I write this, so that's obviously not working too well. Also, I lead far too many flops. Um, and I call down too often. Variance you ask? Well actually, no. I guess I'm just a luckbox, and my sample size is very very small (I'm just a recreational player really, looking to improve). Today's graph: I'm pretty new to both PokerTracker and 6-handed Limit Hold'em, but I've been pretty variance free so far (read lucky): So yeah, your stats and your reads on me are pretty much spot on. Think of me as a Euro-lagtard that is sometimes capable of logical thought and you'll do just fine against me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] And yes, I realise that I have run ridiculously hot over the last 14k hands since I bought Poker Tracker, and I don't expect to maintain a 6 BB/100 win rate. Would be nice though... |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
I fear the thinking LAGs, they drive me insane sometimes. it always feels like I'm being value bet to death when I show down mediocre hands.
ie. ***** Hand History for Game 5819244426 ***** $ 3/$ 6 USD Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 29, 13:54:02 ET 2007 Table Table 126849 (Real Money) Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: ludomanAKQJ ( $ 208.50 USD ) Seat 4: Catherina82 ( $ 579.74 USD ) Seat 5: xPrussianx ( $ 113 USD ) Seat 6: Alimaniac ( $ 226 USD ) Seat 3: NHFTW ( $ 128 USD ) Seat 2: Flauschi83 ( $ 150 USD ) Catherina82 posts small blind [$ 1 USD]. xPrussianx posts big blind [$ 3 USD]. Flauschi83 posts big blind [$ 3 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to NHFTW [ 2s 2d ] Alimaniac folds. ludomanAKQJ folds. Flauschi83 checks. NHFTW raises [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 calls [$ 5 USD] xPrussianx folds. Flauschi83 folds. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 5h, 3d ] Catherina82 bets [$ 3 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 3 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] ** Dealing River ** [ Qh ] Catherina82 bets [$ 6 USD] NHFTW calls [$ 6 USD] Catherina82 shows [ 7d, 9d ]two pairs, Nines and Fives. NHFTW doesn't show [ 2s, 2d ]two pairs, Fives and Twos. Catherina82 wins $ 46 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Nines and Fives. #Game No : 5819246737 I dunno wtf I put you on here, but it wasn't a flopped top pair. sick graph btw. mine looks like that except upside down. |
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Re: KK - overplayed, underplayed, or just right? Party 5/10
we need to get in another raise here, what is he 4 betting preflop here that has u beat besides KK or maybe JJ. this is an easy 4 bet down.
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