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04-05-2007, 02:53 PM
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What amount you would be
Live $100 buy Sunday Tournament at MGM Grand in Las Vegas. First hand, UTG is talkative before the start. Blinds $10, $20.
UTG raises to $100, UTG2 calls, folds to you in MP2, you look down and have KK. What's your bet here and why do you bet this amount? 
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#2
04-05-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
400, because it is standard, and I dont feel the need to do anything but the standard line here...
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#5
04-05-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
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[ QUOTE ] knowing your starting stack is crucial here obv. please inform [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, starting stacks are $1500. [/ QUOTE ] Raise to 400, Call a Shove... Unless you have a live tell reason to believe you are up against aces when a villian shoves... this is all pretty standard...
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#6
04-05-2007, 03:35 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
I like 500, but 400-500 is good. OBV calling any shove anywhere.
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#8
04-05-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
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Ok, I'm curious. You make it 500, UTG calls, UTG2 folds. Flop is like, A94r. UTG pushes. You? [/ QUOTE ] You are worried about something that happens 1/6 times on the flop (and by the way you hit a set some of that time anyways that an A flops and have a decent chance of stacking a villian early with nothing behind to work with)... If villian wants to get goofy with QQ, JJ, or TT this early when an ace flops... then let him... How could you possibly play this scared and ever expect to win... I'm curious... What line are you taking here???
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#9
04-05-2007, 03:44 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
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Ok, I'm curious. You make it 500, UTG calls, UTG2 folds. Flop is like, A94r. UTG pushes. You? [/ QUOTE ] Barring some kind of physical read I fold. If you are replying to my "any shove anywhere", I only meant preflop. If you are advocating 400 over 500 due to lack of pot commitment when an A flops, I'm willing to sacrifice that to avoid letting callers behind come in less expensively.
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#10
04-05-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: What amount you would be
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[ QUOTE ] Ok, I'm curious. You make it 500, UTG calls, UTG2 folds. Flop is like, A94r. UTG pushes. You? [/ QUOTE ] You are worried about something that happens 1/6 times on the flop (and by the way you hit a set some of that time anyways that an A flops and have a decent chance of stacking a villian early with nothing behind to work with)... If villian wants to get goofy with QQ, JJ, or TT this early when an ace flops... then let him... How could you possibly play this scared and ever expect to win... I'm curious... What line are you taking here??? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know, those starting stacks are mighty short. I wasn't advocating anything in that post, I wanted to see what other people were thinking. I don't think you can raise to ~400-500 preflop without considering that possibility, since it's going to be a PSB for either of the two guys who will be acting before you to push the flop, or bet enough that they're effectively pot committed anyway. Essentially, raising to any sort of normal amount here (3x previous raise + extra juice for caller) is putting you in a potentially difficult spot postflop because of the size of the potential pot compared to the players stack sizes. I wonder if reraising to 300 here might be better. We are at 10/20 here, our opponent made it 5xBB, so do we really want to go to 20-25xBB? You risk less, you'll still often get at least 1 of the 2 opponents to fold, and still may be able to get away from the hand on a bad flop.
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