A fairly simple spot i don't really know how to play

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

I just hate a shove here. But I hate alot of things.

BB has 4x your stack too here and may play many hands to defend.

Call. Use your pos to come over the top of his cbet to see where you stand or how big his balls are.

[BlueEcho]

I'm assuming then you make this play with 77's to make it look like SCs and big PPs expecting villian to realize this?

The only real problem I see with this is that SCs and big PPs play different post-flop. A great percentage of the time an overcard comes on the flop and villian acts first. As listed below by Cornell are you shoving over a bet here on the flop? Or shoving if checked to? I was thinking more along those lines.

[NoahSD]

Call. You have to play a bit postflop to make this worth it, but that's pretty straightforward.

Against crazy aggro villains you can raise and call a shove.. but raising and calling a shove against a random stars 109 player is huge huge huge spew.

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i think if you shove you got more FE

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Why do we want FE here? We probably have the best hand. I prefer a raise that he'll call then fold the flop.

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and what if we do get heads up and get c-betted to?


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That's why I raise enough so that if I am called I can narrow the range down pretty good because I'm definitely planning on a go&go here. If I popped it to 2500 I would hope that only AK-AQ, and mid pairs are calling me.

On the flop I fold to an ace with an M of 10ish.


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imo calling and seeing a flop just leads to difficult decisicions with 1 exception hitting a set

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If you call CO could have /anything/. You'll never know if you're good, so you're pretty much playing for set value.

[Cornell Fiji]

Please tell me how often "option D" occurs in this spot because I am under the impression that it is pretty much never.

Villain raises to 650, Hero raises to 2,000...
a) villain folds
b) villain shoves
c) villain calls and shoves 100% of turn cards (unless he flops top pair or a set)
d) villain calls and check folds the turn.

[AMT]

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Call. You have to play a bit postflop to make this worth it, but that's pretty straightforward.

Against crazy aggro villains you can raise and call a shove.. but raising and calling a shove against a random stars 109 player is huge huge huge spew.

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[JMurder3]

I like folding more than I like a small raise here...77 isn't exactly a hand worth trying to sweeten the pot with. Either call and try to flop a set or use your position to outplay him on the flop...or you could push, as he probably has a fairly wide range...or you could fold, cuz you have the 2nd biggest stack and why get involved with the biggest with 77 ???

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Please tell me how often "option D" occurs in this spot because I am under the impression that it is pretty much never.

Villain raises to 650, Hero raises to 2,000...
a) villain folds
b) villain shoves
c) villain calls and shoves 100% of turn cards (unless he flops top pair or a set)
d) villain calls and check folds the turn.

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I think option D happens a lot with bigger stacks.

AK from the CO raises, get's re-raised, doesn't want to race, calls. Misses flop and check-folds.

In this spot I don't think it will happen.

So yeah, you do bring about an interesting point:
With this raise villain will either jam or fold.

So I thought about this hand the wrong way.

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make it 2k call a shove.

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i like deebs advice here if you want to take the aggressive route, if you want to play normal just call even though you arent disguising your hand much.

[DiscipleAA]

I'm amazed how many of you actually seem to want to play for stacks with just 77 preflop in this spot...

I'm not sure we can just toss out the mini-raise idea either, I like it myself, earlier Cornell pointed out that by calling we surrender the innitaive to the CO because he will be first to act post flop and will make a c-bet a huge % of the time, I think the mini-raise is the only way to remove that inniative from the CO, when looking at villians post flop play I think he will be less inclined to get fancy with you if you had mini-raised him preflop...

That being said I dont think it fits into my playing style here, which may be the same case for Bond, Like the mini-raise, still think calling = best +EV here...