3-bet flopped TP bad-kick in a multiway raised pot....???

[thepizzlefosho]

Ignoring results, is taking it to 3-town on this flop smart or spew?

INFO:
UTG raiser is a well known 2p2 tag who plays fairly straight forward, SB has taggish stats 28/17/2.3 over 250 hands, but is also losing -18BB/100 over that stretch FWIW (probably nothing). Other players are pretty much donkeys, as you can tell by their pf cold-calls.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players

Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with 9d 8s
UTG raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, HERO calls.

Flop: 2c 4c 8d (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG bets, Button calls, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 2s (8BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.

River: 4h (10BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to HERO.

Results:
Final pot: 10BB

[TheWunderkind]

i would fold on the flop if its 2 to me.

[thepizzlefosho]

anyone else got thoughts?

[jba]

the only really questionable street is preflop. I think the flop is a pretty easy 3-bet - if not you should be folding.

[thepizzlefosho]

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the only really questionable street is preflop.

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is folding unsuited mid-connectors pf getting 7-1 standard? I would say that I call here nearly 100% of the time, but I've never really thought about it. Is this a leak?

[Apanage]

I just fold flop and I don´t think twice about it.
You almost always have to put in 3,5 BB to win this pot if you 3-bet.When you´re good the hand often plays like this and gets you 7.5BB or maybe 8.5 BB from the others.
The odds for you having the best hand in the first place is not that good IMO.And the ones that calls and are behind probably has a decent chance to outdraw you.
Many turn and river cards is going to make it difficult for you to make the right decision.
I think folding saves us money in the end.

But hey you won the hand.

[thorleif]

This is close for me. In the moment I think I fold this but I don't think you're play is terrible. Valuetown on the river is so thin; what could he possibly have had? Probably things things like this that prevent me from being a 2BB/100 winner.


And no, I do not care how SB has been running.

[Oink]

I call preflop always. I would call with worse hands like T7o as well - in particular at AP with contributed rb and bonii.

The rest of the hand I play the same. SB is raising the flop with a lot of worse hands so I think the flop 3-bet is worth it, albeit close.

EDIT: river valuebet is close. I dont mind checking behind if SB is decent

[sethypooh21]

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the only really questionable street is preflop. I think the flop is a pretty easy 3-bet - if not you should be folding.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure it's and easy 3-bet, but yeah, raise or fold here - if SB is taggish and cc'ed his most likely holdings are AXc or something like 6c7c, so yeah, 3-ball. Of course, 22 and 44 are not out of the question. He probably would have 3-balled TT+, and would wait til the turn with 99.

If the initial raiser calls two cold back to him what's our line?

[thepizzlefosho]

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If the initial raiser calls two cold back to him what's our line?

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I think if checked to I bet a non-club/non-A or K turn. If I get raised or c/r on the turn I call and probably c/f the river unimproved. Especially if the UTG raiser is still in the hand on the river, as this guy wouldn't call-down or raise the turn with nothing.

Althought I'm not positive about this line. If the UTG raiser called the two on the flop I would seriously consider checking to him on the turn, because from my experience he'll bet the hands that are beating me and check when he has something like AK with a club.