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Old 04-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Looks like ur against a set. A9 doesn't c/r this flop. Fold- ONCE IN A WHILE call and take a turn.

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Well, no either a call is good or bad. Why would you want to do it once in a while?
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:17 PM
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Who bets the flop in the first place?
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:19 PM
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Who bets the flop in the first place?

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People who like money. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:20 PM
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Who bets the flop in the first place?

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People who like money. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You can argue for a check based only on the fact that a lot of your outs are dirty... but betting here is very very standard.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: OESD + 2 overs = arrr in

I don't hate the push to be honest at all.

at the same time, i like a call better cuase u can probably represent the flush wehen it comes in and u often have better implied odds with a straight draw even an obvious one like yours.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:46 PM
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I like a fold. I count your overs as 3 outs long-run, and say you have almost no FE.

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If you only count my overs as 3 outs, I'm like a 45/55 dog here. so, even if I have zero FE, shoving is about breakeven, no? What am I missing?
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:51 PM
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I like a fold. I count your overs as 3 outs long-run, and say you have almost no FE.

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If you only count my overs as 3 outs, I'm like a 45/55 dog here. so, even if I have zero FE, shoving is about breakeven, no? What am I missing?

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If he has a 1-pair hand you are 45/55. Realistically, given all the hands he could have I'd estimate your average equity to be 35% generously.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:05 PM
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Folding is weak sauce, I'm calling. I really hate hate hate the shove though.

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Ya he has a massive hand like always given his pf/flop line and your getting nrly 3-1 ip w/ some decent money behind. Esy callllll.

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Old 04-04-2007, 09:09 PM
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pretty close, looks like phantom FE
backdoor FD i think is the last bit to make me prefer a push here.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:14 PM
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I'd fold to the raise. SB just check-raised a multi-way pot including the PFR. What hands usually do this?

With draws like this one, you generally want to have folding equity to offset the bad pot equity you have when you face a better hand. SB does not look like he is folding, and he likely has a hand that crushes you. Just fold.
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