Current Skill You Are Developing

[Magic_Man]

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I think I'm getting a bit hot-headed here for little reason, so my apologies for my somewhat aggressive tone so far [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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No worries.

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I'm still having quite a bit of trouble understanding your viewpoint, though. Are you claiming that there is some invisible force that you can use to affect another person's mood and behavior, apart from visual signals such as eye contact, body language, etc? In other words, before the person even is aware of you, you can influence them? This is an outrageous, and some would say quite laughable claim, so you'll have to excuse my extreme skepticism and lack of desire to attend or pay for any such seminars, even if a money-back guarantee were offered.

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Depends what you mean by invisible force. I would call it energy. At it's most basic level, it's just a visualisation that guides your intent and energy. I don't know how or why it works. I don't think Tom and Kim do either. It just works. It's a much more efficient way to get rapport than the mirroring and matching crap that is usually taught.

Personally, I think it's related to everything being a pea soup of energy vibrating at various frequencies. I think it gets you onto the other persons wavelength, and into their reality, and then all the rapport stuff like mirroring just happen on an unconscious level without effort. Mirroring is actually a sign you are in rapport rather than a good means of getting rapport.

You can get into this resonance with a person without them knowing you are there. Once you do that, you can feel their state. I have managed that much. The next step after that is to then shift their state, but I have not done that. Though I have had it done on me.

Even if you throw out the stuff about being able to shift their states without them knowing you are there, Tom and Kim's methods will get you rapport with someone better than any other method I have seen taught.

http://essential-skills.com/site.php...golden_bubble/


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What you claim would surely qualify for the Amazing Randi million dollar prize, so Tom and Kim ought to bring their abilities over there and start ballin'!

[JohnG]

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What you claim would surely qualify for the Amazing Randi million dollar prize, so Tom and Kim ought to bring their abilities over there and start ballin'!

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What am I claiming?

[Magic_Man]

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What you claim would surely qualify for the Amazing Randi million dollar prize, so Tom and Kim ought to bring their abilities over there and start ballin'!

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What am I claiming?

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You seem to be claiming that you, or at least the elusive Tom and Kim, can influence the behavior and thoughts of another person while out of visual and audio contact with them. Whether or not they say that it is a psychic phenomena, James Randi would surely be willing to admit that it is, if they could prove it. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the claim.

[JohnG]

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You seem to be claiming that you, or at least the elusive Tom and Kim, can influence the behavior and thoughts of another person while out of visual and audio contact with them. Whether or not they say that it is a psychic phenomena, James Randi would surely be willing to admit that it is, if they could prove it. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the claim.

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Personally, I don't think it is psychic. But here's an idea. How about you go to the essential skills yahoo group and ask the apparently 'elusive' Tom himself. I'd be interested in the answer, as I'm sure would be others, including you judging by the level of interest you've shown on this thread. And who knows, maybe you'll teach him something.

Having said that, I want to thank you. You're right. It is a pile of crap. I can't think why I ever thought it worked for me. Thank you for using your valuable time putting me straight.

[Magic_Man]

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You seem to be claiming that you, or at least the elusive Tom and Kim, can influence the behavior and thoughts of another person while out of visual and audio contact with them. Whether or not they say that it is a psychic phenomena, James Randi would surely be willing to admit that it is, if they could prove it. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the claim.

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Personally, I don't think it is psychic. But here's an idea. How about you go to the essential skills yahoo group and ask the apparently 'elusive' Tom himself. I'd be interested in the answer, as I'm sure would be others, including you judging by the level of interest you've shown on this thread. And who knows, maybe you'll teach him something.

Having said that, I want to thank you. You're right. It is a pile of crap. I can't think why I ever thought it worked for me. Thank you for using your valuable time putting me straight.

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Here's the deal. This is the direct claim that "Tom" makes:
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I first noticed this years ago when I would get deep rapport with someone. I would get into a feedback loop with them. I could feel my face get red and my solar plexus get warm. I first wrote this off as a coincidence. Then I noticed that they were having the same reaction.

Well I knew that I was going for rapport but they sure didn't. I began to try to get rapport with people from across the room and then with people that were not even looking at me yet.

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First of all, I'm not sure how he managed to notice that someone else's solar plexus was getting warm, but that's beside the point. If you can cause someone's temperature to rise and their face to blush when they have no interaction with you at all, then you are performing a miracle. Like I said, I'm willing to lay large odds that such a feat would fail in rigorous testing.

[JohnG]

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If you can cause someone's temperature to rise and their face to blush when they have no interaction with you at all, then you are performing a miracle. Like I said, I'm willing to lay large odds that such a feat would fail in rigorous testing.

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Dude, go to the yahoo group and take it up with him then. Seems you can educate him and take his money. What are you waiting for. Go get it.

It's nice to see so many have faith in this Randi.

[Tom Vizzini]

OK I joined because there was a question. So feel free to grill me if you like.

Tom Vizzini
www.essential-skills.com

[Alobar]

Tom,


Do you possess the ability to influence someones mind who is completely unaware of your presence?

edited to fix my retarded spelling

[Magic_Man]

Thanks for joining us, Tom. Let me preface this by saying that I am genuinely quite interested in NLP and especially self-hypnosis and other mind improvement techniques; I'm simply a bit skeptical about some of the claims on essential-skills, and I get suspicious whenever the word "Energy" is quoted as a kind of mystical force. I posted the question on the yahoo group, so I'll just copy my text here, with some brief modifications:
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Hello - I recently found your page, essential-skills.com from a
discussion some posters are having on the message boards at
www.twoplustwo.com. A few of us are skeptical of the claims
in your "magical rapport" description, and we were hoping you could
verify a few things for us. It seems like you are claiming that you
can develop a connection with someone across the room, who is
completely unaware of your presence. Specifically, there are claims
of making their face blush and their solar plexus to become warm,
although there may be other indications that you have developed a
rapport as well. Can you verify this? Are you really able to make an
"invisible" connection with someone who is out of all visual and audio
contact with you? What are some indications that this has occurred? Are you able to select whom you will develop rapport with, or do you simply notice that it has occurred (I'm sure you see the skepticism that will arise with the latter). Thanks for your help!

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[john voight]

I am researching websites, and how to run them. I have a dream of owning my own websites, and earning money from them. I want to have control over my finances, and this would be a good way to do it.

Also I am reading many motivation/finance books, to develop my IQ in terms of dealing w/ money, and controling my future.

I am also developing my guitar skill, specifically picking the strings fast. Maybe someday I will learn how to sweap pick, and then I can totally shred!