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SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop. UTG is a calling station.
Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players) SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB folds. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero ??? |
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SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop. [/ QUOTE ]Easy fold then. |
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Fold. Not even top pair and it'll cost 2 BB to see the river.
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UTG is a calling station. [/ QUOTE ] Looks to me like YOU are UTG sir. You mean UTG+1 I think. I'd call it down and be shown Ace Rag, or throw it away and save my money. A mathematician may tell us the EV difference between the two against an unknown but I'm guessing its not much. When an otherwise passive player donks in a spot like this, I'm 90% letting my queens go. I need a clear read that the player could be getting fancy here to continue in this hand. Maybe I've just seen Ace/Rag from the blinds too many times. |
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*grunch*
Fold. You're not gonna show down a winner here very often. I always hate to see the lovely ladies go, but when the morning sun's streamin' in the window you gotta wake up and smell the coffee. Whatever that means. |
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Smells like 2 pair or potentially even a set of 5s. Let the calling station (who probably has a weak ace anyway) pay to find out.
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SB is loose but not agressive at all postflop. UTG is a calling station. Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players) SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB folds. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero ??? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know if I could fold QQ to a turn donk on a wet board. A c/r from a passive player, sure. You're getting 6:1, do you think you're good here a little less than 20% of the time? Have you seen this player donk the turn with at least top pair before? Does he get tricky with draws? Against an unknown, I probably just call down two bets and take note. If the pot was smaller, and the board was dry I could fold. But the board is very wet, its a large pot, and its going to get larger with UTG padding. You can't raise and charge for a draw because you have minimal reads on SB, no one's folding, and there's a high card on the board, so I think I call down. I think maybe SB had a weak A and thought you were on a draw and didn't want to give you a free card. |
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any move from super passive players on a board like this gives me a reason to throw second pair away here.
pitch it and let the calling station pay to get information for you. lol meatshields. |
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(Grunch)Based on your assertion that the SB is not agressive "at all" his turn bet probably means a monster- either slowplaying a hand that connected with the ace, or a made straight with the 5. Either way, clear fold.
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I don't know if I could fold QQ to a turn donk on a wet board. A c/r from a passive player, sure. You're getting 6:1, do you think you're good here a little less than 20% of the time? Have you seen this player donk the turn with at least top pair before? Does he get tricky with draws? Against an unknown, I probably just call down two bets and take note. If the pot was smaller, and the board was dry I could fold. But the board is very wet, its a large pot, and its going to get larger with UTG padding. You can't raise and charge for a draw because you have minimal reads on SB, no one's folding, and there's a high card on the board, so I think I call down. I think maybe SB had a weak A and thought you were on a draw and didn't want to give you a free card. [/ QUOTE ] bung ... you are not getting 6:1 - if you are making this call you MUST call the river ... also note: we have one extra player (he pads the pot more, but also makes it a lot less likely that you have any chance of being in front) |
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