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Old 04-01-2007, 02:00 AM
Cap_Of_Water Cap_Of_Water is offline
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Default Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

Villian is 19/15.5/5 over 1k datamined hands. Second orbit at the table.

1.Whats your play if his "check raise flop" is 0/67 (0%)
2.Whats your play if his c/r flop % is unknown.
3.Whats your play if his turn AF is 22! (not a typo) + you know #1.
4. Whats your play if you know his turn AF is 22 + you dont know #1.

Just curious to responses.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($200)
UTG ($57.10)
MP ($200.80)
Hero ($233.60)
SB ($221)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $44</font>
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Old 04-01-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

1 fold
2 fold
3 fold
4 fold
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Old 04-01-2007, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

1 and 3 are always folds.

what's his preflop 3betting range? that's relevant for 2 and 4. if you don't know the answer, probably fold those too.
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Old 04-01-2007, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

Push.
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Old 04-01-2007, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

what does turn AF have to do with this. what about his CR flop %
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Whats your play if....1,2,3,4......

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what does turn AF have to do with this. what about his CR flop %

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If we decided to continue with the hand, such a high turn AF would make it better to just call the flop C/R and shove over his turn bet.

The fact that he has never c/r the flop in the 1k hand sample makes it somewhat odd that he does that here.
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Old 04-01-2007, 01:07 PM
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1 and 3 are always folds.

what's his preflop 3betting range? that's relevant for 2 and 4. if you don't know the answer, probably fold those too.

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I agree with what you said about 1 and 3 even though an argument can be made that the sample isnt really significant or that his c/r is either a set or a bluff, but i still fold cause its weird.

2 and 4 seem like folds when your multi tabling and not really paying much attention, but even not having a good grasp of his 3 betting range it still a shove, or in the case of #4, call and shove over turn bet IMO.

Also, to anyone that thinks fold, then your folding AK here too because we have to assume KJ=AK especially when we shove the flop since KQ usually folds.

This is the range i put in btw 9c9d,9c9h,
77-55,4c4h,4c4s,4h4s,KcQc,KhQh,KsQs,QdTd,QsTs,
JTs,Tc9c,Td9d,Th9h,98s,8d7d,7d6d,AhKd,AsKh,
KdQc,KhQc,KhQd,KsQc,KsQd,KsQh,8d5c,8h5c,8s5c

i put in 3 combos of a random hand for some random bluff and obv. you could take out that and some other stuff but if we shove im assuming he folds KQ, even though i dont think he has it that often. With this range were ~65%

Might not look like much of a hand, but i found it interesting for a spot that seems like a "fold and move on" is not so at all. This might be standard but i havent been playing well recently so "thinking play" is interesting to me again [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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