2/4 NL pumping value on the river

[soah]

I agree, this is pretty gross. 9 times out of 10 here it's a case of better hands calling and worse hands folding.

[NDHand]

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just answer this:

what was the point of the river overbet?

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It may fold JT, might get a really stubborn call from J8. Also avoids a really tough decision if I get re-raised.

[soah]

so you'd rather lose all your money than to face a decision where you may lose all your money? wtf?

[NDHand]

Well when you put it that was it doesnt make much sense lol... On the spot I was thinking about the concept from NLHE:TAP that said 'dont bet X if you're unsure how to handle a reraise, either bet smaller so you can fold or make a big raise' or something like that.

[AcTiOnJaCsOn]

i dont really like the play on any streets, raise pre, bet the turn and either bet/ fold to a shove or check call if hes tag liek you said he doesnt call a check raise all in with anything that your beating

[BobboFitos]

i think your line is ok. i dont know why you're afraid of a straight - you really think a tag is overlimping Q9? Q9d would be a raise for most tags in that spot, and pretty much the only viable straight combo (so just 1). likewise it's weird for a tag not to raise limpers w/ JJ or 88. (and, AJ)

the turn is probably a bet-fold spot.

on the river i dont mind the c/r, only better hand i "really" can see is 33, and who knows, maybe he has T8d or a weird AJ/KJ that pays off etc.

[BobboFitos]

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this is disgusting.

esp. in a limped pot you will never ever ever ever get shown a hand you beat. and you will never ever ever ever fold a better one.

let me reiterate: wow this is disgusting.

let me rephrase: bleeeeccchchchchchchh

ps sorry for the honesty but im drunk and this is wow bad

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i disagree, some ppl are fairly transparent in that X calls Y folds but generally there is value here. the question is a checkraise (and if so, how much) better then just c/c.

[RiverHebrew2]

Kinda like but I duno if u can get value here. I don't think he has lower two pair- MAYBE even a set. I would c/r river to $275 and call shove since committed, but this gets more value out of hand and CAN make it a bluff but also has the sizing to get called by hands like KJ and AJ or lower two pair, while a c/rai looks like straight or set imo.

[wdead]

why not just lead river for like 1.25x pot

[olof86]

me no like.