($12) KK on A-high drawy board. Line check.

Pocketbear · #1 03-31-2007, 04:30 PM

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1740
MP1: t1300
MP2: t1780
MP3: t1440
Hero: t1500
Button: t1280
SB: t1460
BB: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t40 (pot was t60), 3 folds, Hero raises to t160, Button calls t160 (pot was t260), 2 folds, UTG+1 calls t120 (pot was t420).

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t540, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t540, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets t160, Hero calls t160 (pot was t700), Button calls t160 (pot was t860).

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1020, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets t320, Hero folds.

How do you like this line? Is calling on the turn weak?

Green Kool Aid · #2 03-31-2007, 04:32 PM

I play it the exact same on all streets.

rbear · #3 03-31-2007, 04:40 PM

You've already represented strength. I think you gain much more info leading the flop than calling that turn. Lots of aces that might fold on the flop are assuming they're good on the turn and river because you check the flop.

Pocketbear · #4 03-31-2007, 04:44 PM

If that would be heads up, I proly could consider cbetting the flop. Right now the board is drawy and I can easily get sandwiched - and that would be for all of my chips...

tsearcher · #5 03-31-2007, 04:55 PM

Raise more preflop, t200-t240. Bet 2/3 pot on flop. Fold to a raise. Turn call OK. River fold OK.

rbear · #6 03-31-2007, 04:56 PM

If you don't lead the flop, I think calling the turn is a chip spew. At these levels, one of them most likely has an ace, and I think the only way you get the chips is by keeping up your aggression level. Don't get me wrong, I think checking the flop is fine, but that makes calling the turn a spew, right?

whyherro · #7 03-31-2007, 04:58 PM

Are we really folding the river here if we call the turn?

The line this guy is taking looks more representative of a PP lower than our kings.

If this guy had an ace on the flop he probably would have led, I'm assuming, to cut the field to 2.

IceMuncher · #8 03-31-2007, 04:59 PM

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You've already represented strength. I think you gain much more info leading the flop than calling that turn. Lots of aces that might fold on the flop are assuming they're good on the turn and river because you check the flop.

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From what I've seen, most aces that call the preflop bet don't go away with a flop bet. They didn't call with ace trash to fold when they hit that ace. They'll call and see what you do on turn.

Pocketbear · #9 03-31-2007, 05:01 PM

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Are we really folding the river here if we call the turn?

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The flush draw has got there, we're still losing to Ax and there is a third guy still to act...

whyherro · #10 03-31-2007, 05:03 PM

my bad, didn't see that second villain called turn.