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#31
03-30-2007, 11:41 AM
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Re: Standard push or wrong spot?
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But when our stack is this low, aren't we looking to get lucky sooner rather than later...or am I mis-applying the concept? I just feel that we aren't going to see a better hand with lots of potential in the next few hands before we're blinding off and have to push whatever we're dealt. [/ QUOTE ] Position matters hugely. Pushing A2o UTG at a full table will be -EV because one of the remaining 8 players is likely to have and call with a better hand. OTB, the balance of probabilities is that you will have the best hand with A2o. 
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#33
03-30-2007, 12:01 PM
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Re: Standard push or wrong spot?
That's a math edge. Skill edge involves knowing what your opponent has and making good decisions based on that. Maybe my choice of the word "position" is confusing, as I merely mean remaining players behind with a chance of calling. I just don't see folding here as a bad play, but hey, math is math, and who am I to argue? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Our stack is really short here as well...I dunno...ok...you guys win...I'll push haha, but how the hell did I get this short and this desperate to begin with????? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#34
03-30-2007, 12:08 PM
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but how the hell did I get this short and this desperate to begin with????? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Bad beats happen to everyone.
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#36
03-30-2007, 12:11 PM
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I'm not overly excited about risking all my chips to add another round. If everyone folds I'm still shortstacked and barely better off than I was before. ...in order to win ya need to stay alive. [/ QUOTE ] FYP. Some of your logic appears to be contadictory. How are you able to stay alive if you aren't able to add another round. You might be only barely better off by just picking up the blinds BUT you ARE better off. If nothing else, you are able to pay the blinds for this round by picking up the blinds and get more in the "position" you want. If you are looking for that situation where you are presumably a favorite before acting, you may paint yourself into a corner. What happens if you never find that situation? At what point do you draw the line? As a measure, M is so important. Waiting for those ideal situations drain you to the point when IF you actually double up you will still be behind where you need to be, remember that time and the increasing blinds are not your friends. To win (and even survive in) a tournament you MUST win a race. You should take one that is favorable, not wait until you are the favorite. Yes, I realize that it is theoretically possible for you never to be all in/risk your tournament life and still win the tourney BUT it is unlikely and for this IS NOT the case here for you.
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#37
03-30-2007, 12:12 PM
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Oh, so people will think we're steaming? That lowers our FE [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] No. That's one way we may have gotten this short. It is important to know how to play a SS b/c at any time an any tournament you could end up this short.
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#38
03-30-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: Standard push or wrong spot?
Haha I'm just playing around about the "how did we get this poor" and the steaming stuff sherm. I think people, in general, push way too soon with marginal hands. I'm caving on this one with only 3 times the blind, though. But I'm curious about where you guys would draw the line.
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#39
03-30-2007, 12:26 PM
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Haha I'm just playing around about the "how did we get this poor" and the steaming stuff sherm. I think people, in general, push way too soon with marginal hands. I'm caving on this one with only 3 times the blind, though. But I'm curious about where you guys would draw the line. [/ QUOTE ] See the pushbot charts. Search for them and you can find a link. Basically, the line is drawn based on your desperation (M) and what you expect Villain's to call with. Your assumption that people tend to push too soon couldn't be further from the truth. The opposite, that people don't push soon enough, is the reality.
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#40
03-30-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: Standard push or wrong spot?
Jmurder3,
I hope this a clear enough picture: My first 250 MTT's (Jmurders philosphy)- 10% ROI MY last 250 MTT's (Cornell/2+2 philosphy)- 100% ROI Trust me, you are overestimating your edge over the field. Do you have an edge of the avg. player? Sure, but collectively against 100+ people it's not much. Definitely not enough to finish top 3 in MTT's often enough to show a good ROI. All i can say is that I used to think just like you. Now, I'm completely on the other side- and my bankroll is much healthier.
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