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02-20-2006, 01:54 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
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[Grunch] The pot is big enough-and the callers aren't doing anything to make me believe your 6 outs aren't good so flop and turn are fine but once you brick out I'd just assume fold. [/ QUOTE ] Question: Should I assume with all that preflop action that either 1) I have significantly less than 6 outs, or 2) Someone has a made hand (i.e. I fold the river automatically when I don't catch) 
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02-20-2006, 02:08 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
Don't count outs preflop. Its not useful. Instead, just count your equity.
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#14
02-20-2006, 02:22 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
I dont think you really understood my question... maybe I didnt word it right. What I mean to say is that I hold Ace-King. There were two raisers preflop. After the flop my outs are 1)the 4th nine 2)the remaining aces and kings
But because the preflop raisers are likely to hold some number of aces and kings, should I discount my outs? Say, instead of 7 outs total, should I count them as 4 or 5?
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#15
02-20-2006, 05:06 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
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But because the preflop raisers are likely to hold some number of aces and kings, should I discount my outs? Say, instead of 7 outs total, should I count them as 4 or 5? [/ QUOTE ] Well if you think they have an ace or king then counting your outs is somewhat irrelevant because you shouldnt be folding ace king high (if they both have an ace or king)
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#17
02-20-2006, 07:19 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
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I would have folded on the flop. You are problem behind already and do you really want to put extra in when there is a good chance for a boat alreay? I'm sure a lot of people will say you have the odds to call, but I would fight another day. [/ QUOTE ] This is a joke, right? You wouldn't really fold this getting 19:1, would you?
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#18
02-20-2006, 11:51 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
I played around a little with PokerStove on this:
Assigning to CO and UTG+2 usual 3-betting and capping hands: 99+,AJs+,AKo and to SB a top 20 percent hand (too wide a range?) 66+,A4s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo,QTo,JTo Hero has 13.6 % equity CO and UTG+2 have 36% SB has 14.3% equity this is for after the flop....so your pot equity when the bet comes to you after the flop is .136*18=2.45 SB Is this worth continuing with? This is the first time I've tried using PokerStove so all disclaimers apply.....
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#19
02-20-2006, 11:59 AM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
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I played around a little with PokerStove on this: Assigning to CO and UTG+2 usual 3-betting and capping hands: 99+,AJs+,AKo and to SB a top 20 percent hand (too wide a range?) 66+,A4s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo,QTo,JTo Hero has 13.6 % equity CO and UTG+2 have 36% SB has 14.3% equity this is for after the flop....so your pot equity when the bet comes to you after the flop is .136*18=2.45 SB Is this worth continuing with? This is the first time I've tried using PokerStove so all disclaimers apply..... [/ QUOTE ] You assigned somebody 99? The flop was 999, so I would assume that person would have 100% or more of pot equity [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#20
02-20-2006, 02:07 PM
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Re: Am I a moron? Folded AK on the river.
Well, PokerStove presumably when you but in the board cards......would not actually use that holding....at least I hope not...
There is a slider bar to set top x% holdings....I wanted to make sure that AKo was in the list....to do that you have to accept 99 also.... So, FWIW, I think the numbers are correct.....(given the assumptions)
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