KK

Riku · #1 03-28-2007, 12:06 PM

BB is unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, Hero caps, MP calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero...

fretelÃ¶o · #2 03-28-2007, 12:08 PM

fold.

Bona · #3 03-28-2007, 12:23 PM

Uh oh. Judgement call. We are drawing dead to the flush and of course should fold if he has that. On the other hand we should raise against a flush draw. He cold called preflop and just called the flop so I don't think he has the A. ???

The fact that you capped pre flop and bet the flop puts a lot of hands with an A in them in your range and yet he donked the turn knowing that (if he's paying attention) so I guess there is a good chance he has made the flush.

Since we have a good sized pot I think I might have to call down here. I'd love to raise the turn and see what he does but its not prudent. I call down at .10/.20 with no read.

Riku · #4 03-28-2007, 12:31 PM

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He cold called preflop and just called the flop so I don't think he has the A. ???

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I don´t think that excludes the Ax.

If we call, it still leaves mp behind us. I think it´s a fold vs. raise.

Bona · #5 03-28-2007, 12:42 PM

I think we are behind more often than we are ahead here and with very few outs. The only reason not to fold, IMO, is pot size and being HU. So I want to show down as cheaply as possible. We only have to win this about 1 time in 5 or 6 for it to be +EV to call down. We have to be ahead more often than that to raise, probably something close to 1 in 3. I certainly could be wrong though.

Grease · #6 03-28-2007, 12:43 PM

If anyone says call, I'll cry.

Either raise or fold, but I think that folding is correct here >99% of the time. MP3 behind us makes this hand much harder to play, but I've liked everything so far.

Bona · #7 03-28-2007, 12:52 PM

WHOOPS!!! my mistake I misread the action and thought we were HU. You are correct IMO. This is not a call down.

Big Folder · #8 03-28-2007, 12:56 PM

i drop.

I dont think both of your villians were calling with an 8 or a straight draw considering the aggressive preflop.

You're either done to the ace or a flush.

tyler_cracker · #9 03-28-2007, 03:04 PM

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fold.

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CMReedy · #10 03-28-2007, 06:33 PM

HU this is a call, sometimes a raise because a lot of players will donk a flush draw +/- MP/BP or even air in this spot. Add another person....that's a fold cheif.