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#1
03-28-2007, 08:18 AM
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1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
Villain runs at 23/16/3. I wasn't sure what to make of his flop min reraise, but I was just wondering what people would do here on the turn? Would you lead out? Or would you opt for a check reraise? And if we reraise are we shoving? Or reraising enough to pot commit ourselves?
Absolute Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $1/$2 5 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $216.75 Hero: $321.10 Button: $386.50 SB: $438.01 BB: $197.14 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, Button calls, 3 folds. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($25, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $16</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $32</font>, Hero calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($89, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $50</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ? 
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#2
03-28-2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
This deep I am putting in another bet on the flop, his line looks a lot like a TP 'finding out where it is at'.
As played I call the turn, you have a lot of outs, you are deep, though the reverse implied odds are a little worrying.
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#3
03-28-2007, 09:22 AM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
Looks like he could be on a flush draw to me, but we could be commiting ourselves with a c/r, and then well prob have to follow up on the riv if a safe-ish card hits. I think I like flat calling then on the river betting out a safe-ish non flush card, c/cing a modest bet if the flush card hits, and c/ring if 1 of our non-heart straight cards hits. Could be totally wrong with this thou.
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#4
03-28-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
turn is a call. you'll have like ~229 by the river, the pot will be near ~200. should set yourself up with a nice healthy bet if you improve/c/f if you dont.
i dont really like a flop b/3b given the size of his bet. leaves for really awkward turn play. you make it ~90 on the flop, he either calls or shoves, ugly spot on a blank turn if he calls.
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#5
03-28-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
I like the play on the flop. On the turn you can just call, or if you think he's playing with top pair, eg KQ/KJ etc etc then you could consider pushing if you think you've got enough FE - but I prefer just to call.
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#8
03-28-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
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How bad is shoving this turn? [/ QUOTE ] |--------------------> This Bad <----------------------| Why would you shove when you are getting odds to draw? He can fold the river after you hit, and it's still profitable.
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#9
03-28-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
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[ QUOTE ] How bad is shoving this turn? [/ QUOTE ] |--------------------> This Bad <----------------------| Why would you shove when you are getting odds to draw? He can fold the river after you hit, and it's still profitable. [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't hate the turn push if the Villain hadn't shown as much *strength* on the flop and if 89 hadn't just got there.
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#10
03-28-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: 1/2nl tons of out on the turn OOP.
Maybe I suffer from FPS on this one, but I think a turn c/r shove is kind of sexy. Villain could have raised the flop with a Q to see where he's at, or as a bluff, or with a FD...
He'd have a hard time calling with a Q, and we're ahead of both a bluff and FD. IF he calls with a Q or happened to hit the straight, we still got good outs... I know we have direct odds, but that doesn't necessarily make calling better than pushing.
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