uNL Vote: Call 4xBB raise from EP with PPs?

[Dr_Doctr]

Just about my earlier comments when I said call or 3-bet. I meant at least call. I can't think of any situation I would fold 77 on the button to a single raise without a *very* specific read. 3-betting is read or stats dependent. Obviously if a super-nit raises UTG on a full table etc. you're not coming over the top with a pair of 7s hoping to scare him out of the pot later, but you're damn well calling for set value. I tend to just flat call against unknowns but I like 3-betting too when I know the opponent and the advantages to that are pointed out well in this thread I think - lots of advantages to flat-calling too of course. Basically I love being on the button and having 77 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Hope that is a little more definite than 'call or 3-bet'.

[Drainbamaged]

Excuse a beginner, but does 20/20 imply VP$IP of 20%, all raises, or VP$IP of 40%, half raises?

[K䲰䮥n]

Vol. $ Put In Pot % / Pre Flop Raise %

[Sneds9]

I don't understand why the most folds have come from the 40/2 player. Surely that is the perfect player to be set mining against, because getting away from AA, KK is very hard and IF they are good enough to read you have a set, it'll take them a good sized bet on the flop and maybe one on the turn to work it out.

[munkey]

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Excuse a beginner, but does 20/20 imply VP$IP of 20%, all raises, or VP$IP of 40%, half raises?

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vpvip/pfr so 20/20 plays 20% of his hands and PreFlop Raises all of them or 3bets though...

I have a [maybe lameo] question from this - does the PFR figure include 3bets in PT, e.g. if villan opens UTG we 3bet on BTN does this hand count to the PFR %?

I'm more inclined to 3bet loose PFR with FE, fromwhat I hear absolute players fold to 3bets alot. On FT I often 3bet from blinds/BTN though not recently as much as I do MMV. On PTY I don't think 3betting most players with speculative hands is worthwile -you'll probably end up with 3 callers and get called with ace high to the river.

All about adjusting to the players @ the time IMHO.

[Drainbamaged]

Thanks for the explanation.

[jimpo]

The < 10% who fold should be spanked.

[Sir Winalot]

I think calling is the correct answer to all of those without further reads. I do also think that folding isn't that good an idea against any of these villains with such implied odds.

I don't get why we should raise in any of these hands, ecpecially #2 and #4. Villain in #2 is 20/20 which means (as I've understood it) that he will never call our 3-bet. He will either shove or fold and I'm quite sure we're behind his 4-bet shoving range by a huge margin. 3-betting someone with pfr 2 with 77 is just insane.

[ama0330]

I wouldnt 3bet here with 77 because it sort of stifles you postflop because you basically can't improve (I don't stake my winrate on two outers). Id much rather 3bet here with strong s/c's and broadway, or total garbage. I figure if youre going to turn your hand into a bluff, why not make it a bluff in the first place.

FWIW 3betting a dude with 2% pfr with anything less than the nuts is pretty dumb.

Also, this whole thread is very, very opponent specific, and I dont just mean stats but also willingness to stack off with mid strength hands, willingness to shut down to aggression postflop etc etc.

[Big Poppa Smurf]

In general, 3betting preflop here in position with small pairs as your standard play is not good. Sir Winalot a 20/20 is going to call the 3bet a lot and with much better pairs than you as well, I don't know where you're getting this shove or fold thing from.