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Old 03-26-2007, 03:27 PM
gui166 gui166 is offline
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Default 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

both with 100bbs stacks, no reads on villain

Hero posts the small blind of $.50.
Wisclax posts the big blind of $1.

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Pre-flop:

Needbankroll2 folds.
rowdyguy folds.
WestOfSunset raises to $4.
BlaketheflakE folds.
Hero calls $3.50.
Wisclax folds.

Flop: (Pot: $9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero checks.
WestOfSunset bets $6.
Hero ???

What is the better line here? If I call, what do I do if I face another bet on the turn? If I raise, what do I do on the turn if he calls me?
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:51 PM
WotaWaster WotaWaster is offline
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

Against a total unknown I think folding 55 preflop out of position here is OK (Maybe I get flamed for this) and this hand shows why.

Against a known very-tight raiser we can call to play for set value.
Against a known LAG (not maniac) we can perhaps 3bet.
Against someone who we have some stats and postflop reads on we can probably call and play a flop.

I don't think there is a good answer here.
- Folding seems weak when you can have the best hand.
- Raising inflates the pot with a marginal hand OOP if called
- Calling and checking the turn may make your holding transparent and invite a second bet whether you are beat or not and even if you are ahead 95%+ of his range has 6 outs and you don't know which 6 they are.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

Yeah dnt fold this pf.

Don't raise here, it's a massive leak that loads of donkeys make. I might call flop as his range should be pretty wide, but really getting to showdown cheaply should be a concern. I fold the turn to aggression.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

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Yeah dnt fold this pf.

Don't raise here, it's a massive leak that loads of donkeys make. I might call flop as his range should be pretty wide, but really getting to showdown cheaply should be a concern. I fold the turn to aggression.

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I usually call here but I think I will get sucked out/bluffed a lot ... I know that raises "to see where I am at" are donkish, but in this type of situation I think I'd be raising to protect my hand, wouldn't I?
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

no more opinions?
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

No way I would fold PF, 55 is an implied odds hand I would fold to any aggression on the flop, this is a dif situation since 55 is hardly ever the top pair. If your gonna call, might as well raise instead IMO. If there were higher cards on board insta-fold
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

i would c/r flop or call flop in hopes of c/r a decent turn card and fold if he plays back at me.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

Check-call flop, check-fold non 4 or 5 turn.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

but i guess that's a massive donkey leak.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:35 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: 55 OOP as overpair, what is the better line here? 100NL

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but i guess that's a massive donkey leak.

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Yup.
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