Aces vs aces vs two others $10/$20 all-in preflop- get away from it?

[pete fabrizio]

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I put 400 into Party last night, spun up to $2650 on $2/$4, tilted off $600, then moved up to $10/$20 and lost this monster. Biggest hand I've been in for a long time. My username there is vanHogspeuw.

Any way of getting away from this hand?


***** Hand History for Game 5802935848 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Sat Mar 24 16:03:54 EDT 2007
Table Table 126466 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: blyger99 ( $1363)
Seat 2: asdfgh73 ( $760.50)
Seat 3: Micu123 ( $1150)
Seat 4: waken ( $1773.84)
Seat 5: A55HO1E ( $1381.48)
Seat 6: Prince19861 ( $1670)
Seat 7: vanHogspeuw ( $1663.88)
Seat 8: cashmerejak ( $3858.20)
Seat 9: Byrrrr ( $2473)
Seat 10: lacala1 ( $400)
asdfgh73 posts small blind (10)
Micu123 posts big blind (20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to vanHogspeuw [ Kc, As, 9h, Ah ]
waken folds.
Prince19861 raises (70) to 70
vanHogspeuw raises (240) to 240
cashmerejak calls (240)
Byrrrr folds.
blyger99 calls (240)
asdfgh73 calls (230)
Micu123 folds.
Prince19861 raises (1390) to 1460
vanHogspeuw raises (1423.88) to 1663.88
vanHogspeuw is all-In.
cashmerejak folds.
blyger99 calls (1123)
blyger99 is all-In.
asdfgh73 calls (520.50)
asdfgh73 is all-In.
Prince19861 calls (203.88)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, Qc, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Creating Main Pot with $3299 with asdfgh73
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1807.50 with blyger99
Creating Side Pot 2 with $601.76 with vanHogspeuw
** Summary **
Main Pot: $3299 | Side Pot 1: $1807.50 | Side Pot 2: $601.76 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Td Qc 4h 8h 5c ]

blyger99 balance $5106.50, bet $1363, collected $5106.50, net +$3743.50 [ 4c 4s 6s 3h ] [ three of a kind, Fours -- Qc,Td,4c,4s,4h ]
asdfgh73 balance $0, lost $760.50 [ Ts Jd 6d 8d ] [ two pairs, Tens and Eights -- Qc,Ts,Td,8d,8h ]

Micu123 balance $1130, lost $20 (folded)
waken balance $1773.84, didn't bet (folded)
A55HO1E balance $1381.48, sits out
Prince19861 balance $607.88, bet $1663.88, collected $601.76, lost -$1062.12 [ Tc 8s Ac Ad ] [ two pairs, Tens and Eights -- Qc,Tc,Td,8s,8h ]
vanHogspeuw balance $0, lost $1663.88 [ Kc As 9h Ah ] [ a pair of Aces -- As,Ah,Qc,Td,8h ]

cashmerejak balance $3618.20, lost $240 (folded)
Byrrrr balance $2473, didn't bet (folded)
lacala1 balance $400, sits out

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If you have any question about whether you should have folded this, then you should have folded it, stood up, and moved down.

[CaptDEEbo]

bbv is down the street

[harry89]

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Yeah and he got almost 4/1 on his money.

I don't really understand why he's such a favourite pre-flop, though. Of the four players in the hand he's the only one who could play for a low straight, but some of these outs are gone since we have the aces. He has two outs to hit a set which of course we don't have, but he doesn't have any flush outs. So why is he such a favourite?



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i think because of a few things. (kick me if i'm wrong)
- He has all live cards (he's lucky there)
- Playing for the lo straight
- Other three players are sharing a lot of cards with each other. So the outs they needed were in their opponents hands allready.


So he "gambled" on his live lo cards and this time he became the lucky winner. Happens all the time in omaha hi.

What can be said about this hand: There was a lot of money in the middle preflop...

[fnord_too]

There is way too much dead money to fold here with your side cards and how much you have left in your stack. If you made a mistake, it was putting in the second raise. I don't know how the game was playing and how lightly people were 3 betting and 4 betting pre flop, but I would have to expect to get it all in pre against a worse hand to put in the second raise there.

LOL at anyone who seriously thinks either of the other hands were making a mistake (well, the guy who called the 240 then folded pre probably did).

[luckyjimm]

Obviously I didn't fold the hand, I put my money in, and I lost it all. I really was expecting it would go heads up, or three way with the short-stack pushing. In that situation even if I lost the main pot I'd have a side pot with the other guy with aces, and I could hope mine would be stronger than his. (I'd liked to have flopped three hearts, or KK9, or even to have caught that goddamn Jack).

I do think when you're playing deep enough there should be situations when you can lay down aces in a multi-way pot once you realise another player has aces too. I had less than a buy-in for this game, so I can see it wasn't a big mistake to get it in pre-flop here. The mistake was for me to be on such a big table in the first place, quickly turning my spin-up into a spin-down!




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If you have any question about whether you should have folded this, then you should have folded it, stood up, and moved down.

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