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Old 03-24-2007, 02:50 AM
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Default bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

villain is a obv donk at 62/5/1 but only over 44 hands, probably closer to 20 at teh time because i remember him not having any stats up on hte HUD. this turn is total garbage, and can i actually squeeze value from a worse hand, or be happy that he checked it to me and let me off the hook??

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $50
MP: $54.20
CO: $40.80
Hero (BTN): $49.95
SB: $84.85
BB: $48.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, SB folds, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
<font color="red">CO bets $2.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, CO calls $7.25

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($22.75, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16

<font color="black">River:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($54.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks???

does anyone bet here???
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:39 AM
rakes.a.beach rakes.a.beach is offline
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

I think you should've checked turn.

as played, check river
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:02 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

thought process on checking the turn?

as played shove the river, villain has ~13 left
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

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thought process on checking the turn?

as played shove the river, villain has ~13 left

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You're right. A river shove is right, I didn't see stack sizes.
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:14 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

do we actually get called by anything worse. 3 streets of value against an unknown? doesnt seem likely. it think lots of hands he folds here and saves the money. remember i have no stats on him during the hand.


i prolly shouldnt have posted his stats because i didnt have them at the time
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

If CO is on a diamond draw, I don't think that he would have checked the river. Most likely he has two overcards or overpair, because of the raise preflop. My opinion is that he can't have a draw on the flop, because if he would have that, it would be a nutflush or near nutflush and no-one is checking those on the river. So I would say that he's holding pp like QQ, JJ or TT and can't let them go because of the low board. Shove the river.
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:57 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

Against an unknown, I check that river. But when I see villain's stats he has probably an overpair and can't let go of it. Worst thing to happen is AdKd. Considering his stats, I shove.
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Old 03-24-2007, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

I shove river, but I would check behind on the turn.
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Old 03-24-2007, 06:06 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

Villain shoves river, you are commited and call. BUT that didn't happen, villain checks so is hoping for a cheap showdown.

Shove and take the 13 bucks away from him
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Old 03-24-2007, 07:46 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, bad turn 50NL, river value????

I like the turn bet. It allows us to get value from draws, get a free check behind on the river and give an opportunity to stack him if we hit a boat. Check behind on the river, not much that beats us calls here.
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