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Old 03-24-2007, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: Is Biological Life the Product of Intelligent Design?

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Trivially easy. My alternate position is: "Some things can be certainly known without omniscience."


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How would you know that that which you don't know doesn't affect what you do know, thus affecting your certainty?

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1. Every statement about empirical reality requires omniscience to be known certainly.
2. But (1) is a statement about empirical reality.
3. So (1) cannot be known certainly.


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2. is false. 1. is a proposition about knowledge. This is trivially obvious for the reasons contained in my question above.

As for your link, you called me a troll, I responded. At the time I was attempting to engage you in a discussion. When you gave up I answered from the frustration I always get when people resort to personal insult.
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:08 AM
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The "philosophical issue" you're wrong about is assuming you're certainly right about anything philosophical.


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I can see why your best argument is personal insult. Finis.
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Old 03-24-2007, 03:16 AM
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How would you know that that which you don't know doesn't affect what you do know, thus affecting your certainty?

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Observe that I didn't imply which statements could be known certainly. Making that implication would be just as self-stultifying as your position.

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2. is false. 1. is a proposition about knowledge. This is trivially obvious for the reasons contained in my question above.

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LOL AJ-Ayeraments. (1) cannot be purely a proposition about knowledge with no exclusive implication for reality. Otherwise it would be equally valid to say: "Every statement about empirical reality can be known certainly without omniscience."

Basing your epistemology on a non-exclusionary (1) is thus special pleading. Basing your epistemology on an exclusionary (1) is self-stultifying as shown above.

I'm serious, this is AJ Ayer almost to the letter. Are you just fooling around with me here?
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