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Old 03-23-2007, 12:22 AM
Bond18 Bond18 is offline
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Default More fun with min raises in the stars 50/r/a

2nd hand of the tournament, villain unknown. The juxtaposition here is that villain
A. Might expect us to have an A
B. Might think A is his perfect scare card

That he didn't immediately rebuy prolly means hes not that good a player but not always:

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3000
Hero: t3000
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
CO: t1500
Button: t2990
SB: t1510
BB: t3000

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t60</font>, 2 folds, CO calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t90)</font>, 3 folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t150, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t100</font>, CO calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t250)</font>.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t350, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t220</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t460</font>, Hero?
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Old 03-23-2007, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: More fun with min raises in the stars 50/r/a

call reluctantly
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Old 03-23-2007, 02:02 AM
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My achilles heal is the unknown making a minraise. It always gets me to do something crazy, like shove here for value.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: More fun with min raises in the stars 50/r/a

well if youre right about him not being a good player since he didnt rebuy
he might even have 2 pair here or just A3/A4/A7
id just call it down and see what he does on the river
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:45 AM
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My achilles heal is the unknown making a minraise. It always gets me to do something crazy, like shove here for value.

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I shove here for value.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:49 AM
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My achilles heal is the unknown making a minraise. It always gets me to do something crazy, like shove here for value.

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really? i thought bond is beat here.

to elaborate, i dont think your preflop raise allows you to narrow his holding @ all except for maybe the bottom 20% of hands. Therefore, isnt this the way he plays any flop which you are drawing dead on? On the other hand i can see him calling w/ ace rag, flopping a gutshot, and then viewing his hand as the nuts, which is what youre saying, so im really not sure. But i wouldnt be shocked to see a flopped set or straight.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:56 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see myself beat but I think that all pair+draw hands, weaker aces, bluffs and spaz plays are also in his range so I think there is value in shoving because he will call with hands that he wouldn't if he couldn't rebuy.
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:00 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see myself beat but I think that all pair+draw hands, weaker aces, bluffs and spaz plays are also in his range so I think there is value in shoving because he will call with hands that he wouldn't if he couldn't rebuy.

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i always assume, if they didnt rebuy yet they're not gonna, is that incorrect from your observations?
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:07 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see myself beat but I think that all pair+draw hands, weaker aces, bluffs and spaz plays are also in his range so I think there is value in shoving because he will call with hands that he wouldn't if he couldn't rebuy.

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i always assume, if they didnt rebuy yet they're not gonna, is that incorrect from your observations?

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To be honest, I don't know and it's a good point. I haven't played anywhere near enough of these on Stars to know. Where I have played single rebuy things, on Ladbrokes a Euro site, very few insta rebuy and this sort of play is almost always a sub-par hand that villain will felt because he can rebuy.
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Old 03-23-2007, 10:56 AM
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My achilles heal is the unknown making a minraise. It always gets me to do something crazy, like shove here for value.

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really? i thought bond is beat here.

to elaborate, i dont think your preflop raise allows you to narrow his holding @ all except for maybe the bottom 20% of hands. Therefore, isnt this the way he plays any flop which you are drawing dead on? On the other hand i can see him calling w/ ace rag, flopping a gutshot, and then viewing his hand as the nuts, which is what youre saying, so im really not sure. But i wouldnt be shocked to see a flopped set or straight.

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I wouldn't be suprised if he is beat here either, but what line should Bond take? Folding the flop to a minraise seems weak to me. I think he could easily have floated this low flop with AT/AJ or A rag with gutshot as you suggested.
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