Is this even a tough spot?

[CanYouCallThis]

First of all this is a preflop fold.

Second, don't make the pot this big with a marginal hand like TPBK. I'dd C/C the flop and lead the turn. If I find any strength, I'm out.

RIO's controlling this pot, so just lay it down as played now.

[Sir Winalot]

Easy fold, you have a weak top pair and a gutshot draw. I doubt any villain would be raising here without TPGK+, so you're pretty much beat by all his range. For more info look for 'baluga theorem' in the sticky (unl or ssnl, can't remember which).

I also think fold>raise>call preflop. I probably wouldn't lead turn very often because there's not many worse hands that will call a value bet.

[avfletch]

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I probably wouldn't lead turn very often because there's not many worse hands that will call a value bet.

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I don't think it applies here but I'd like to point out that just because worse hands don't call doesn't make betting wrong necessarily.

[kitchma]

I complete this everytime from SB. Is this really a leak? Right now I am completing any flush or straigt cards, any A and any K from the SB. For those advocating a fold PF, what is your range for limping here?

[CanYouCallThis]

None, with one limper either my hand is good enough to raise, or I fold.

Pretty huge leak that is, if you complete every A/K/suited/(gapped) connectors.

Fix it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Zagga]

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you should look up your stats of SB play.

I think we spotted a leak in your game.

Just fold preflop and dont get involved in this crappy spots.

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I disagree. I limp hands like this from the SB if there is at least 1 caller in front of me or overlimp it on the button with 2 callers all the time. Cheaply flopping a straigth then getting a lot of money in is a good moneymaker, and you can otherwise easilly get away from these hands.

In this hand, I like to bet flop and fold to any action or check-fold turn if called (unless villain minbets).

[Bonesy]

I used to complete hands like this all day in the SB but I'm now convinced it's a leak. If the limpers are total donaters, then I will complete. Mostly you just end up with marginal hands OOP.

[kitchma]

So what is your range for limping from the SB?

[Genz]

I rather overcall on the button than completing in the sb with hands like these. With a 2gapper, you are basically hoping to flop a gutshot straightdraw or a flushdraw. And that flushdraw isn't even anywhere near the nuts. Lots of awkward spots postflop. It's certainly not a big leak to complete here, since you get good odds. But playing postflop isn't that easy with a weakish draw. And even if you hit big in an unraised pot, you will have trouble getting value on your hand, since you are always displaying a fair amount of strength when you lead into a field of limpers...

[Zagga]

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So what is your range for limping from the SB?

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If there is at least 1 limper (pref 2) any connector or single gapper and high doeble gappers, suited or ofsuit.

And every suited ace.

This means I don't limp things like ace-rag, king-rag, K9, A8 etc etc. those are all crap hands, especially in this position.