QTs in BB, SB pushes - Page 2

draw2aflush · #11 03-21-2007, 10:41 AM

no brainer FOLD

draw2aflush · #12 03-21-2007, 10:46 AM

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I called. I need to win 45% of the time for it to be cEV+. I figured villain probably doesn't push real strong hands, so I am probably flipping against an underpair, Ax, or Kx. Villain could be ahead with broadway cards or behind with a suited connector/gapper or semijunk. I think I may be ahead of villain's range.

Maybe because of the tournament situation I shouldn't gamble. Does doubling up less than double my $EV? I know Sklansky might not approve. Of course, if I win the coin flip, it puts me in 2nd or 3rd place in the tournament, and I have a good chance to win the thing.

YOU COULD ALSO BUY LOTTERY TICKETS =)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP (t67404)
Button (t36740)
SB (t57063)
Hero (t59337)
UTG (t145036)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises to t56863, Hero calls t52863.

Flop: (t110526) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t110526) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t110526) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t110526

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qh Th (full house, tens full of kings).
SB has Kh 7s (full house, kings full of tens).
Outcome: SB wins t110526. 

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Solitare · #13 03-21-2007, 10:53 AM

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Mathematics of Poker's Jam or Fold table indicates this is a pretty clear call with QTs, Calling is appropriate up to 24BB stack size. . . . Its a +EV call, although your seat and your skill might push this into a fold even then, because it is awefully close, and if you lose your done.

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The Mathematics Of Poker jam/call tables do not take into account tournament dynamics and payouts.

A full ICM calculation is needed to resolve this question (requiring stack sizes and payouts), although I strongly suspect that it is a fold.

ItalianFX · #14 03-21-2007, 11:10 AM

Even with a slightly average to loose range you are going in behind. This is very close with KQs, but I think QTs is too far behind to justify calling. I really don't think his range is that wide. He has to be doing this with 50% of the hands to even make an argument about what to do, but anything tighter than that and you're going in as the underdog.

DDBeast · #15 03-21-2007, 11:28 AM

I think you were lucky you were in as good as shape as you were v. his K7, but I really don't think his range is near wide enough to call off 15bbs.

Cablelessray · #16 03-21-2007, 11:38 AM

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Does doubling up less than double my $EV?

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yes

and it's still a fold

like i said, i wish i could call here too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] , but i won't

i suspect the pretty Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] got to you jkjk

Easy17 · #17 03-21-2007, 02:15 PM

be the pusher not the pushee