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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
Even though the blinds start twice as high, it's still advantageous to have 20k chips instead of 10k for the later levels, because although you cut out one level of play, for every other level, you have effectively put twice as many chips in play, meaning that M's will be a lot higher with blinds of 200/400, 300/600, etc than they would be if you only got 10k in chips. More play in the middle levels is a very good thing IMO.
Is this is a stage toward raising the buy-in to $20k? Eh, I don't think so. If anything it's probably just following the trend of the Bellagio structures and other similar WPT structures that have been recently adopted. All in all I think it's a very positive move... not as good as the 2007 Borgata Winter Open structure (30 chips, 25/50 starting blinds, wow), but definitely better the old structure and realistic given the expected size of the field this year. |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
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Even though the blinds start twice as high, it's still advantageous to have 20k chips instead of 10k for the later levels, because although you cut out one level of play, for every other level, you have effectively put twice as many chips in play, meaning that M's will be a lot higher with blinds of 200/400, 300/600, etc than they would be if you only got 10k in chips. More play in the middle levels is a very good thing IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Everything in this post is wrong. More than one level was eliminated, there will not be more play in the middle levels, M's will not be higher (e.g. 2007 level #5 of 300/600 will have the same M as 2006 level #5 of 150/300). I am using the 2007 $10k event structure posted on the WSOP website; it is basically the same as 2006 except everything is effectively doubled (level 1 x 2, level 2 x 2.....level 19 x 2, level 20 x 2, etc. etc. etc.). The WPT events typically improved slightly when they went to 20k SC because they implemented (structured) things differently than the WSOP. The WPT events increased the number of levels (e.g. BB=SC) and had the BB repeat (i.e. first ante level) at a greater chip depth, while the WSOP has not changed the number of levels (or the ratio of the various levels, etc). |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
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[ QUOTE ] Even though the blinds start twice as high, it's still advantageous to have 20k chips instead of 10k for the later levels, because although you cut out one level of play, for every other level, you have effectively put twice as many chips in play, meaning that M's will be a lot higher with blinds of 200/400, 300/600, etc than they would be if you only got 10k in chips. More play in the middle levels is a very good thing IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Everything in this post is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] owned |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
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[ QUOTE ] Even though the blinds start twice as high, it's still advantageous to have 20k chips instead of 10k for the later levels, because although you cut out one level of play, for every other level, you have effectively put twice as many chips in play, meaning that M's will be a lot higher with blinds of 200/400, 300/600, etc than they would be if you only got 10k in chips. More play in the middle levels is a very good thing IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Everything in this post is wrong. More than one level was eliminated, there will not be more play in the middle levels, M's will not be higher (e.g. 2007 level #5 of 300/600 will have the same M as 2006 level #5 of 150/300). I am using the 2007 $10k event structure posted on the WSOP website; it is basically the same as 2006 except everything is effectively doubled (level 1 x 2, level 2 x 2.....level 19 x 2, level 20 x 2, etc. etc. etc.). The WPT events typically improved slightly when they went to 20k SC because they implemented (structured) things differently than the WSOP. The WPT events increased the number of levels (e.g. BB=SC) and had the BB repeat (i.e. first ante level) at a greater chip depth, while the WSOP has not changed the number of levels (or the ratio of the various levels, etc). [/ QUOTE ] Cost per round in 2006 (41 levels, assuming 9 handed tables): 75 150 300 525 675 1050 1200 1575 2100 3300 3600 4200 5700 6300 8100 10500 12000 18000 21000 24000 36000 42000 57000 72000 90000 105000 120000 180000 210000 240000 360000 420000 570000 720000 900000 1050000 1200000 1800000 2100000 2400000 3600000 Cost per round in 2007 (first 41 levels, assuming 9 handed tables): 150 300 600 1050 1575 2100 2400 3600 4200 5700 6300 8100 10500 12000 18000 21000 24000 36000 42000 57000 63000 81000 105000 120000 180000 210000 315000 420000 570000 630000 810000 1050000 1200000 1575000 2100000 2850000 3600000 4200000 5700000 7200000 8100000 Cost per round in 2007 divided by cost per round in 2006 for first 41 levels (2 means round cost was exactly doubled, < 2 means round is less costly in 2007 vs 2006, > 2 means round is more costly in 2007 vs 2006): 2 2 2 2 2.333333333 2 2 2.285714286 2 1.727272727 1.75 1.928571429 1.842105263 1.904761905 2.222222222 2 2 2 2 2.375 1.75 1.928571429 1.842105263 1.666666667 2 2 2.625 2.333333333 2.714285714 2.625 2.25 2.5 2.105263158 2.1875 2.333333333 2.714285714 3 2.333333333 2.714285714 3 2.25 Looks slightly better in some of the early-mid stages, and worse in the late stages. |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
I used the term "effectively" doubled and not "exactly" doubled as there are some very small differences. For example, 150/300/25 becomes 300/600/75 vs. 300/600/50, and 800/1600/200 becomes 1500/3000/400 vs. 1600/3200/400. The differences are so small that it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time splitting hairs.
The biggest differnce is that level 27 (equiv.) has been removed in 2007 (i.e. oddly there is no 50k/100k, assuming no typo). So yes, 2007 has one less level, which will only be felt after 99.5% of the field is eliminated. This SMALL difference is greater than the rounding differences at various levels. |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
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I used the term "effectively" doubled and not "exactly" doubled as there are some very small differences. For example, 150/300/25 becomes 300/600/75 vs. 300/600/50, and 800/1600/200 becomes 1500/3000/400 vs. 1600/3200/400. The differences are so small that it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time splitting hairs. The biggest differnce is that level 27 (equiv.) has been removed in 2007 (i.e. oddly there is no 50k/100k, assuming no typo). So yes, 2007 has one less level, which will only be felt after 99.5% of the field is eliminated. This SMALL difference is greater than the rounding differences at various levels. [/ QUOTE ] Alan, the purpose of my post wasn't to nitpick your statement, but rather to back up what you had said about M's not being higher in 2007 than 2006. 2006 structure: http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/st...t/Event39.html 2007 structure: http://dps.twiihosting.net/wsop/doc/...oc_591_133.pdf |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
LoL, I got pwned by Alan Goehring; there's a story... didn't realize they'd cut out other levels as well. In that case I withdraw my ignorant statement.
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
Anyone think one reason for the change is to keep total chip count high while entries will obv be down? Meaning that the spectators (I'm mostly talking about tv here) are not impressed with million-dollar stacks anymore, and might lose some interest if there aren't as many millions at the final table? That was my first thought, at least.
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
So, if you had to bet on the stack sizes at the final table in relation to the blinds being deeper than last year, would you?
Meaning how many BB deep will the avg stack be as opposed to how deep it was last year. |
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Re: WSOP blind structure is only marginally better.
I don't think that's what he's trying to say, but it doesn't really matter. Assuming that the ME attendance declines greatly, as anticipated, the FT will still have the 80-90 mill. on the table....Hell, after chip-ups, who knows how high that number could get. That's assuming field debility to 4,200 entrants, though some believe it will stay much larger than that.
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