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Old 03-20-2007, 05:41 AM
F Paulsson F Paulsson is offline
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Default Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

Villain is 35/14:ish over a decent sample.

5/10 6-max.

I open in MP with AJs. Villain makes it three bets from the CO. Folded to me, and I call.

Flop comes 8-6-2, with the 8 and 6 in my suits giving me the nut flush draw.

What's my plan for the rest of the hand? It seems to me that the standard play for most of the TAGs I play is to put in at least two bets on this flop when they're in this situation (or similar), either as a donk/raise or check/raise. Why?
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:43 AM
gehrig gehrig is offline
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

just call down, ur never making a better hand fold and ur behind
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

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just call down, ur never making a better hand fold and ur behind

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I allmost agree. Some players would be folding AQ and maybe even AK on the turn UI against a flop c/r. C/r'ing is still not profitable tho as you will be owned by better hands that either 3-bet the flop or raise the turn.
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

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just call down, ur never making a better hand fold and ur behind

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Right. That is my standard line. Do most of you/us here actually do that, though? I feel like this flop often gets checkraised and sometimes even capped by players that I suspect to be 2p2.

Does anyone here play this more aggressively than just calling down? If so, why?
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:15 AM
Gurravasa Gurravasa is offline
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

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just call down, ur never making a better hand fold and ur behind

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Right. That is my standard line. Do most of you/us here actually do that, though? I feel like this flop often gets checkraised and sometimes even capped by players that I suspect to be 2p2.

Does anyone here play this more aggressively than just calling down? If so, why?

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I tend to be very agressive (overagressive I'm starting to realize) on the flop but even I would call this down.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:44 AM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

Just to clarify: the people saying "call down" here mean check-call, check-call, check-fold unimproved right?

Do you show down if you pair up?

Guy.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

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Just to clarify: the people saying "call down" here mean check-call, check-call, check-fold unimproved right?

Do you show down if you pair up?


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yes and yes.

edit: if you hit an ace you should probably mix in a donk somewhere probably the river.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

Whats your plan if you hit your flush/TPTK /TPGK on turn/river?Whats your line?You donk your flush/pair ,cr?
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: Ace-high nut flush draw out of position

if i hit the flush on the turn I c/r, if I hit it on the river I donk.

tptk: c/c down

tpgk: c/c turn, donk river usually.
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