Do I Help Bad Players Play Right? Very long (3 hands)

RickA · #1 03-19-2007, 04:49 PM

I'm sorry for the length of this post but I felt they had to be included together to help create the table dynamics.

Here are 3 specific hands I have against an opponent who was playing 80/5/1.8.

Other Considerations:
He had called an AI on a A-Q-2 board with 2-3. Turn 2, River 2.
He called I believe every flop bet he saw.
He pushed bottom 2 pair on something like a 8-9-T-Q board.
Hit on at least 1 other gutshot draw by calling flop and PSB on turn.

So, I didn't know how to categorize him because he was a calling station who would show some aggression with mediocre hands.

Hand # 1.

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
BTN: $30.15
Hero (SB): $81.2
BB: $59.25
UTG: $104.65
MP: $20.80
CO: $14.75

Preflop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.5, 5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $2, BTN folds, Hero raises to $6, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $4

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($14.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, CO calls all in for $8.25
Uncalled bet of $0.75 returned to Hero

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($31, 2 players)
No action

He showed 7-5.

I know I shouldn't show results but this was the only history we had to the river.

I just called with J's here becasue I know I would have to invest $3 Pre flop , $4 on flop and I would still have no idea where I was at. I'm assuming this is incorrect?

I sense now that my flop raise is too small. What should I have raised knowing it was getting called?

Hand #2

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
4 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
Hero (UTG): $67.15
BTN: $78.40
SB: $22.55
BB: $26.05

Preflop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 4 players)
Hero raises to $1.75, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.75, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $5

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($19.75, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($29.75, 2 players)
BB bets all in for $11.80, Hero calls $11.80

Any thoughts?

Hand#3
Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
BB: $9
Hero (UTG): $59.55
MP: $24.50
CO: $59.35
BTN: $83.70
SB: $91.6

Preflop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players)
Hero raises to $1.75, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises all in to $87.10, Hero calls all in for $44.80
Uncalled bet of $32.30 returned to SB

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($119.6, 2 players)
No action

I have been giving away alot of sessions worth of work to these types of players and I know I have a serious leak?

the machine · #2 03-19-2007, 04:54 PM

reraise preflop in hand one. no way should you ever let JJ go unraised from the blinds. as played you could make it a bit more on the flop and he hit a draw on you. hes probably not in the hand should you raise preflop

hand 2 is close. if i raise teh flop im raising to about 12. 8 is too weak. since hes a short stack i dont hate it but raising teh flop more def makes the hand easier to play. it sucks he has so little by the river bacuse you only beat QJ

last hand is very standard. if he has a higher set so be it because hes def stacking off with 2 pair here. he may have the straight too and at least then we have 10 outs to quad or fill up. im pretty sure im getting it in here

barryc83 · #3 03-19-2007, 04:57 PM

I'm assuming the same villain in every hand.

Hand #1) Raise pf, its that simple. You dont wanna play JJ 4-5 way in a limped pot OOP. Even though you didnt play this hand great, you still got all the money in ahead.

Hand #2) Assuming this guy really is an idiot, raise the flop more ($10-11) and shove over his turn bet.

Hand #3) Very standard, if he hit a gutter on you so be it. Players like this will have Ax and 2pair here so much that its a sin to fold.