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Old 03-18-2007, 10:41 PM
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Default 15-30 hand I hate

Good 15-30 at the Bellagio. But a couple players have just switched out so the dynamic has temporarily changed. Laggy asian limps from UTG (he's not nearly as aggressive up front as he is in late position, and has open limped with hands like K8o a couple times in the last few hours), new player calls from midddle position, hero calls w/ Q9s from the CO, button folds, SB completes (another new player), BB calls (likes to open with suited junk given the chance, but plays surprisingly straight forward after the flop).

Flop Jh Th 3d. I have clubs. Checked to middle position limper who bets, I call, SB check raises, BB folds, UTG calls 2 cold and middle position 3-bets. I'm getting 13-2 immediate with the chance of a 4 bet from the SB. UTG is not folding, but has been saving the majority of his aggression with big hands for the big streets. Call or fold?
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Old 03-18-2007, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: 15-30 hand I hate

Call.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: 15-30 hand I hate

4-bet
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: 15-30 hand I hate

benwood, there is 5 bet cap in vegas...still say 4 bet?
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:48 AM
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benwood, there is 5 bet cap in vegas...still say 4 bet?

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Whoa, even with 4 bet cap there's no way I raise this here. Terrible, terrible play to raise IMO.
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: 15-30 hand I hate

4 betting is suicide with the 2 hearts on the board

Call and be ready to dump your hand on the turn
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:55 AM
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I didn't mean to imply I liked a raise here. The 5 bet cap makes it even worse.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: 15-30 hand I hate

el call
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Old 03-19-2007, 04:12 AM
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I didn't mean to imply I liked a raise here. The 5 bet cap makes it even worse.

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I didn't think you did. It's a pretty thin call here at best. Even if you hit you may not have the nut straight and you are up against a ton of redraws without a doubt. I think it's a fold actually, although MAYBE call/fold turn UI isn't TOO -EV.
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Old 03-19-2007, 06:40 AM
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raise the first time it's your turn
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