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#31
03-19-2007, 12:16 AM
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Re: Making Sense of Private Security (heavy AC content)
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State exploits this, naturally, and will keep exploiting this and there is no plausible way to change this. [/ QUOTE ] Well would you agree that this is less of a problem (I don't even agree with what you said anyways, just pointing out that if it was true that's no endorsement of government) in anarchy then with? 
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#33
03-19-2007, 12:38 AM
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Re: Making Sense of Private Security (heavy AC content)
Another question.
In your anarchy, if a small rogue state is formed somehow inside the anarchy and this state gives sanctuary to criminals in exchange for money, what is the responce of the so-called law-abiding people?
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#34
03-19-2007, 12:50 AM
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Re: Making Sense of Private Security (heavy AC content)
Landed, wealthy individuals would recruit and train their own armies and enforce their own laws on their own lands. They would fight amonst each other. They would band together on occasion to fight some larger threat. With the power of life and death over the people in their employ, these owners of private armies would try to create heredetary lines of leadership as they pass down their wealth and power to their offspring. The truely enterprising would reinstitute polygamy to have as many children as possible to ensure a large family of loyal, noble, ruling executives. The private soldiers would have children that would most likely become soldiers. Anyone other than an executive family member or a soldier would be a slave. There would be virtually no social movement. Opportunities to advance would only exist for cunning soldiers able to overthrow his boss's to start his own enterise/army. Basically, an AC-world of private armies would end up looking like medieval Europe in about 2 generations. Human rights would be at the discretion of the people giving orders to the gunmen. The gunmen would eventually take over as the people giving the orders. Some would be wise and kind. Some would be despots. Another analogy would be that the AC-world would be run by mafia dons in charge of their mafia families each running their own businesses in their own lands, fighting their private wars, making and breaking alliances with other families, and ruthlessly protecting their own position and power for themselves and thier offspring. I really think constitutional democracy with provision for a common defense to protect the rule of law against enemies from without as well as within is infinitely better than living the middle of never ending gang wars.
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#35
03-19-2007, 02:29 AM
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That depends. Is your anarchy more complex social arrangement than the statist society or less complex arrangement? [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean by social arrangement?
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#36
03-19-2007, 02:32 AM
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Landed, wealthy individuals would recruit and train their own armies and enforce their own laws on their own lands. They would fight amonst each other. They would band together on occasion to fight some larger threat. With the power of life and death over the people in their employ, these owners of private armies would try to create heredetary lines of leadership as they pass down their wealth and power to their offspring. The truely enterprising would reinstitute polygamy to have as many children as possible to ensure a large family of loyal, noble, ruling executives. The private soldiers would have children that would most likely become soldiers. Anyone other than an executive family member or a soldier would be a slave. There would be virtually no social movement. Opportunities to advance would only exist for cunning soldiers able to overthrow his boss's to start his own enterise/army. Basically, an AC-world of private armies would end up looking like medieval Europe in about 2 generations. Human rights would be at the discretion of the people giving orders to the gunmen. The gunmen would eventually take over as the people giving the orders. Some would be wise and kind. Some would be despots. Another analogy would be that the AC-world would be run by mafia dons in charge of their mafia families each running their own businesses in their own lands, fighting their private wars, making and breaking alliances with other families, and ruthlessly protecting their own position and power for themselves and thier offspring. I really think constitutional democracy with provision for a common defense to protect the rule of law against enemies from without as well as within is infinitely better than living the middle of never ending gang wars. [/ QUOTE ] Why the hell would any of this happen?
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#37
03-19-2007, 09:32 AM
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Why the hell would any of this happen? [/ QUOTE ] Well, you got that much right at least: it would be like hell (unless you're very rich, in which case it might be kinda interesting). The lack of de jure checks on (i.e. anarchism of) the power of concentrated capital would virtually guarantee a top-down hierarchical society with the wealthy in control and everyone else with few options but compliance. If the power of money (in place of the rule of law) is given unhindered priority, inevitably those with advantages of several orders of magnitude in that capacity will dominate.
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#38
03-19-2007, 12:45 PM
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Re: Making Sense of Private Security (heavy AC content)
If you are talking about natural selection, isn't it natural selection that civilization has evolved the way it has. Tribes became villages, villages became city-states, city-states became provinces, provinces became nations, nations became empires.
The natural selection aspect of civilization did not evolve towards AC.
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#39
03-19-2007, 03:35 PM
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You could have used to that argument before humans evolved from monkeys to say that humans would never exist. Perhaps tribes become villages, villages become city-states, city-states become provinces, provinces become nations, nations become empires, and then the citizens of empires get fed up and dismantle them. What makes you think we are at the end stage of civilization?
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#40
03-21-2007, 06:39 PM
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In your anarchy, if a small rogue state is formed somehow inside the anarchy and this state gives sanctuary to criminals in exchange for money, what is the responce of the so-called law-abiding people? [/ QUOTE ] Interesting scenario. I wonder what the AC reply will be?
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