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I never do this but...
Villain is 23/16/2 over a large sample and pretty straight forward so I'm almost certain he wouldn't 3bet the turn here with anything worse than a Q. I figure this way I charge the FD, JT, AJ etc.
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9.25 BB |
#2
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Re: I never do this but...
looks good
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#3
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Re: I never do this but...
I would just calldown and value bet the river if checked to. A bet is going in on the river the vast majority of the time so I don't see much point to the turn raise. I guess if you're certain he won't 3 bet the turn with a worse hand, and he'll calldown with worse hands you're risking nothing to win an extra bet. But he might sometimes fold a worse hand to the turn raise.
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Re: I never do this but...
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But he might sometimes fold a worse hand to the turn raise. [/ QUOTE ] good point |
#5
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Re: I never do this but...
Bump for the night crew.
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Re: I never do this but...
seriously. i don't see why everyone is trying to "get value from a draw" and thereby opening themselves up to getting 3bet.
A flush draw is going to charge themselves anyway. And any pair is "value betting" you, so you don't even lose value. I can see some guys 3betting JT here, which is a nightmare, because now you are folding as a 3-1 favorite |
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Re: I never do this but...
any hand that is going to call your 3bet will bet the river too. and you're an underdog.
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Re: I never do this but...
I just let the opther guy bet for me from the flop on. If he doesn't bet, I do.
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Re: I never do this but...
Even if your read is completely accurate and Villain has to have at least trips here once he 3-bets, the raise-fold costs more than it appears to since you have 4 outs against a flopped straight. Against KJ or J8, for instance, your hand is worth ~1 BB at the point where you folded. And while we should probably discount J8 somewhat, I'm thinking Villain is playing all 16 combos of KJ. (Edit: And, by the way, you also have four outs against 99.)
Plus, as others have pointed out, Villain is usually going to fire again on the river no matter what he has. |
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Re: I never do this but...
i just go into calldown mode.
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