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22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
I'm having trouble deciding the best play with these type of hands. What is the standard way to handle these situations? Mid-pocket pair, early position at a ~ six-handed table with ~ 12-14BBs. In both situations I'm one of the shorter stacks.
What factors should I be considering before I make my play and what are you guys usually doing here? Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t40/t80 5 players Converter Stack sizes: Hero: t930 CO: t4092 Button: t4400 SB: t2258 BB: t1820 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hand #2 Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t40/t80 6 players Converter Stack sizes: Hero: t1120 UTG+1: t2295 CO: t2760 Button: t5580 SB: t1060 BB: t685 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] |
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
I may be wrong but...
hand 1: shove hand 2: open to t240 |
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
I fold these. I don't think you can afford it, especially from UTG. You have to fold to any decent raise, and you have the whole table to act. You don't know if your set would pay off at the short table, even if nobody raises and you hit it.
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
hand 1 is a push for sure, hand 2 I would push and hope to take it down or have one of the shorties call .
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
I push hand 1 and fold in Hand2
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
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I fold these. [/ QUOTE ] #1 is unexploitable push |
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
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[ QUOTE ] I fold these. [/ QUOTE ] #1 is unexploitable push [/ QUOTE ] Oops, my leak. Edit: I'm not arguing with the play, but am I right that unexploitable and optimal are not the same thing? |
#8
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
I shove both no worries. These are pushes that actually get better the looser opps call.
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I fold these. [/ QUOTE ] #1 is unexploitable push [/ QUOTE ] Oops, my leak. Edit: I'm not arguing with the play, but am I right that unexploitable and optimal are not the same thing? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Openpushing AA first hand is unexploitable, but it's not optimal. But if a push is unexploitable, you certainly shouldn't be folding. |
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Re: 22: UTG w/ Mid-Pocket Pairs
#1 is a pretty clear shove, #2 is a difficult situation since every single option sucks, opening 14 bbs utg sucks, standard raising sucks if you get called or raised, limping sucks for a lot of reasons that limping always sucks, and folding sucks cause we have 88. Shoving probably sucks the least considering your chip position.
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