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#11
03-13-2007, 04:09 PM
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Re: Calling for Clock Incident
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In this particularly case, I think OP shoulda wanted the call. The guy wasn't getting the odds he need to make that call, so the end result was OP got what he shoulda wanted. He's letting the unfortunate result cloud his thinking a bit. If he'd won there wouldn't be any post on 2+2. But yeah, I almost never call for a clock in a cash game. I can take a walk or go flirt with a chick I know I have no shot at while letting someone think. But there's no point getting worked up over it, either. People do use the clock to try to manipulate and tilt other players, so don't let it get to you. I've even had a player who was all-in in a hand whisper to me "call the clock on him for me" like 15 seconds after he went all-in... Nope, not gonna do it, buddy--do your own dirty work. [/ QUOTE ] I figured that this point would come up but I was thinking afterwards that this could have easily gone against me if I was on a bluff. I don't think any player should infringe on the action unless they are the ones involved in the hand. I think you agree with me on that bav. 
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#12
03-13-2007, 05:24 PM
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Re: Calling for Clock Incident
Some cash games your pay for your seat. IE $5per 30 mins or something. In these situations I think calling a clock is toatally acceptable.
I am not sure what OP is upset at? You think he'd fold if he had more time? Didn't you want a call? If the river blanks you still post this?
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#13
03-13-2007, 05:50 PM
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I used to think that calling the clock when not in the hand was rude, but having played a lot since then, some people take way too much time, consistently reducing the number of hands you can play an hour. The waisted time belongs to everybody.
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#14
03-13-2007, 09:00 PM
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At another incident, there was a guy who took his time to make every call, whether it was a small or large bet. At one point he was faced with a medium-large bet decision and no one on the table called for clock, it took about 3-4 minutes for him to fold. Later on when another guy was on a bigger decision for more money, the slow player called for a clock after a minute and a half. I wasn't involved in either hand but I got furious with this. Luckily this was at my regular casino, so I knew the floor and told them how ridiculous this guy has been and they gave him a warning. Score one for the good guys [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm the OP, I posted the above as well and I think calling for the clock is uncalled for more often than needed. When it is one of these unfortunate situations I think it is generated from people who are newer to live cash games and have watched too many tournaments on tv. I am just disgusted when I see it happen and when it happened to me, yes, it forced the post. I wasn't sure what everyone elses opinion was on the subject but I see it is a mixed bag. Thanks.
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#15
03-13-2007, 09:22 PM
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[ QUOTE ] At another incident, there was a guy who took his time to make every call, whether it was a small or large bet. At one point he was faced with a medium-large bet decision and no one on the table called for clock, it took about 3-4 minutes for him to fold. Later on when another guy was on a bigger decision for more money, the slow player called for a clock after a minute and a half. I wasn't involved in either hand but I got furious with this. Luckily this was at my regular casino, so I knew the floor and told them how ridiculous this guy has been and they gave him a warning. Score one for the good guys [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm the OP, I posted the above as well and I think calling for the clock is uncalled for more often than needed. When it is one of these unfortunate situations I think it is generated from people who are newer to live cash games and have watched too many tournaments on tv. I am just disgusted when I see it happen and when it happened to me, yes, it forced the post. I wasn't sure what everyone elses opinion was on the subject but I see it is a mixed bag. Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] I think you got rivered, and it hurt. If you had won the pot (as you should have) you would have forgotten the clock by the time you headed out for beer and pizza that evening - and that would have been one of the hands you were toasting. Should the guy have called the clock? Hey, we all get bored waiting for these deep thinkers to wake up from their Hollywood dreams.
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#16
03-14-2007, 01:42 AM
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I think that calling a clock on anyone in a cash game, and especially in a NL raked game is very bad form, unless that person has been habitually stalling, or he has already taken at least about 5 minutes. [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
03-14-2007, 02:03 AM
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It was a bit over $300 more, not $180. So you are agreeing with the clock caller then, correct? [/ QUOTE ] To be quite honest, too much time is wasted playing B&M with staredowns. If you had a minute to decide, I dont see why needing one more minute would be quite enough time. Before going to b&m, the most time for a decision with stars with the additional 40 second clock. tilt and party gave no extra time and they spread 5K games. So bottom line, I dont see anything wrong with calling a clock after 60 seconds.
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#18
03-14-2007, 04:00 AM
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Re: Calling for Clock Incident
I wish that floorpeople would get in the habit of checking to see if the player has already used up a reasonable amount of time before starting the clock.
I've seen this plenty of times: PLAYER NOT INVOLVED IN THE HAND: Dealer, call for the clock. DEALER: CLOCK ON TABLE 7! FLOORMAN: (from across the room, not taking even a single step towards Table 7) OK, you have one minute from now, I'll count down the last 10 seconds... More often than not, anyone impatient enough to call for a clock, is way too impatient to wait a full minute before speaking up. Impatient people cannot be relied upon for an accurate estimate of time passed. These are the people who say things like, "I haven't seen a cocktail waitress in over an hour!", or, "When are you going to pick that player up? He's been gone over three hours!", when in each case, I had personally seen the waitress or walking player, and I only spend 30 minutes at each table. One last word on floorpeople...I saw this happen once: PLAYER: (shouting) CLOCK ON TABLE 7! INEXPERIENCED FLOORMAN: (walks up to the table, never takes his eyes off his watch) Sir, you have one minute, I'll count down the last 10 seconds... DEALER: (to floorman) What are you doing? FLOORMAN: Didn't you call for the clock? DEALER: I didn't, one of the players shouted it himself. FLOORMAN: Has the player who is causing the delay had a reasonable time to make his play? DEALER: Oh, yes. We've been stopped for several minutes now. FLOORMAN: Then why did you ask me, "What are you doing?"? DEALER: Because we're playing $3-6 LIMIT! Don't time this guy! Hit him in the back of the head, and tell him to act on his hand!
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#20
03-14-2007, 01:46 PM
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I used to think that calling the clock when not in the hand was rude, but having played a lot since then, some people take way too much time, consistently reducing the number of hands you can play an hour. The waisted time belongs to everybody. [/ QUOTE ]
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