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#12
03-13-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad
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i am NOT a lag, i play a pretty snug (read: nitty) tag game... all i meant by my being aggro was that i'd been doing [censored] like 2barreling limped pots vs 2 others at the table. weve nver played any pot past the flop so his tilty sickness meter is prolly pretty close to 0 [/ QUOTE ] Hard to say. To a 17/12 your recent 24/19 stats are pretty wild and he could just be waiting for any hand to catch you getting out of line with. If he knows you are normally tighter he could think you are on tilt and looking to stack off. I'm not saying that is certainly the case, but I think you are in a position to be played back against. [ QUOTE ] point i probably shouldve asked in OP: if hes doing this with a draw, hasnt he manipulated his cr size so that he doesnt have to call a push? even with QdJd calling if i push isnt really that hot (calling almost 100 more for a 310 or so final pot) [/ QUOTE ] So what? If you just call the check/raise against QJdd that's really sad for you when you could have forced him to abandon his hand or make a mistake by calling. Yes he chose a good bet size with QJdd (he didn't trap himself), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give him the opportunity to make a mistake. 
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#13
03-13-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad
wow. I really disagree that a 17/12/2.4 player is going to check/raise bluff or semi bluff the turn and then fire again on the river after reverse floating the flop. I think he has something, and I think that calling the turn tells him you have something, so I don't expect him to bluff again if the river turns his hand into nothing.
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#15
03-13-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad
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[ QUOTE ] point i probably shouldve asked in OP: if hes doing this with a draw, hasnt he manipulated his cr size so that he doesnt have to call a push? even with QdJd calling if i push isnt really that hot (calling almost 100 more for a 310 or so final pot) [/ QUOTE ] So what? If you just call the check/raise against QJdd that's really sad for you when you could have forced him to abandon his hand or make a mistake by calling. Yes he chose a good bet size with QJdd (he didn't trap himself), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give him the opportunity to make a mistake. [/ QUOTE ] i think i agree iwht you. but how often do tags with busted draws (as played) on the river follow thru with a shove here anyway? hed be shoving in somewhere around 80% pot which is just about perfect after i run down my clock on the turn bfore calling, and imho that would be hella profitable since after i call my most likely hand is a onepair that i will chuck to a river shove.. and even most 2p hands have a tough time calling
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#16
03-13-2007, 03:36 PM
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Re: nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad
yeah prob. not air, maybe i'm overarguing calling b/c i really don't like pushing here. he's already making a mistake if he's raising his draw tho, you want to bank on that hand for him? he could still have a set.
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#17
03-13-2007, 04:28 PM
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Re: nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad
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yeah prob. not air, maybe i'm overarguing calling b/c i really don't like pushing here. he's already making a mistake if he's raising his draw tho, you want to bank on that hand for him? he could still have a set. [/ QUOTE ] I agree a set is possible, but I figure there are only 5 combos of sets (disregarding 33), but 1 combo each of QJdd, AJdd, as well as 8 combos AK, 6 combos of AA, and 4 combos of 53. I know that some of the hands we beat should be should be discounted (esp 53), but I also think that this line doesn't necessarily mean a set, since villain shouldn't offer us a free card on the turn. I stand by the push, but agree that if you are going to just call the turn you should be folding to any serious river action if you are unimproved.
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