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Old 03-13-2007, 03:45 PM
djj6835 djj6835 is offline
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Default Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

Both of these hands were against the same opponent isaidtoptop. Had him at about 32/30/1.2 over 150 hands. The second hand took place about ten minutes after the first. Comments on all streets.


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $114.35
UTG+1: $60
Hero: $98.50
Button: $195.55
SB: $112.65
BB: $16.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($20.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $8</font>, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $11</font>, Hero ???




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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $219.15
CO: $20
Button: $19.05
SB: $45.90
Hero: $102.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.5</font>, UTG calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($21, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $12.5</font>, Hero ???
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

on the second hand bet more on turn...pot sized
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

Call both.
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

I probably play both hands the same. I guess a case can be made for folding the turn on hand 1 but those odds are soooo tempting (of course this player has at least a J here &gt;75% of the time imo).
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:15 PM
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I probably play both hands the same. I guess a case can be made for folding the turn on hand 1 but those odds are soooo tempting (of course this player has at least a J here &gt;75% of the time imo).

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I never considered folding the turn. It looks a lot like he's just floating the flop and I think he reraises preflop with most hands that contain a jack. I was surprised to see him bet the river which made me think twice about whether he plays a jack like this.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:17 PM
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Call both.


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What can villain have in hand two that I beat? The only thing I can think of is a busted straight draw.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

1st hand-I think if you are going to call his turn bet go ahead and bet 8 yourself to see if you can either take down the pot or if you get raised then fold. I guess the river is a fold though his bet seems kinda weak so you could call....might be a weak bluff attempt. I think I would fold however.

2nd hand-It looks like he just hit his flush and if he has a K you are outkicked. However, based on your last hand he might be trying to ttake you off the pot. Probably not, though. He's probably got the flush so I fold. Calling is not bad though.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

Hand one: If you call the turn bet, I don't see folding on the river bet. If I were you, I would lead out on the turn, instead of check/call.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:34 PM
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Both of these hands were against the same opponent isaidtoptop. Had him at about 32/30/1.2 over 150 hands. The second hand took place about ten minutes after the first. Comments on all streets.

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Old 03-13-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Fold both of these rivers? $100 NL

Haha, I don't have images on so I've never seen his avatar. That's pretty funny.
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