nl100 stars... top 2 gets balugad

ibuckyourfutt · #1 03-13-2007, 02:20 PM

villain is 17/12.5/2.38 over just under 100 hands

at this table iirc i was decently aggro with all sorts of crap in small pots vs 2 other at table who were very passive and weakish, and definitely not only showing down good hands, but only really dicking in small pots

however with villain i have no history, but if he tracked stats i probably was running around 24/19 preflop in our 100 or so hands together (if he datamines a large sample im closer to 20/16/3ish)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($97)
MP ($239.80)
CO ($99)
Hero ($191.15)
SB ($194.50)
BB ($157.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8.

Turn: ($24.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $19, BB raises to $52, 

what now? what range might he be taking this line with??

yes we are slightly over 150bb deep

ibuckyourfutt · #2 03-13-2007, 02:21 PM

ps yes i have TWO pairs. but i think the same principles might apply

Jesse Kidd · #3 03-13-2007, 02:35 PM

You're either ahead or behind to 55. I think I'd get it in here, since you have an aggro image and he could play QdJd this way. No sense making it a tough decision if an A or diamond hits on river.

Jesse

J. Stew · #4 03-13-2007, 02:37 PM

i'd call and call reasonable rivers depending on the board. sets, KT, weird Aces/AK, semibluff Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], random five outer bluffs, air.

AE6 · #5 03-13-2007, 02:42 PM

fairly sick spot against a guy this nitty, but i don't think you can get away from it. a lot of nit donks with a bad understanding of the game and their self-image will play AA this way too.

Ra_ · #6 03-13-2007, 02:43 PM

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You're either ahead or behind to 55. I think I'd get it in here, since you have an aggro image and he could play QdJd this way. No sense making it a tough decision if an A or diamond hits on river.

Jesse

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I don't think an A or diamond is that scary on river. unless he has AK, QJ or AA, i cant't think of much else it helps here. QJd is the only diamond draw that makes sense.

edited to take out my calling comment, didn't mean to leave it in after rereading hand.

another edit: after thinking AA, AK and QJ might be a decent sized part of his narrow range, but i still am not scared by a diamond and Aces are only 2-3 outs if hes has one for him.

*** · #7 03-13-2007, 02:56 PM

Push here. If he is semi bluffing with a draw you'd rather get the chips in on the turn rather than the river, and if he has a set at least you probably have 4 outs. I think his range includes QJdd, 55, AK, and AA. Occasionally other weird hands might show up like 53s and AJdd, and he could also just be sick of your aggro ways and airballing you.

Part of the reason you develop an aggro image is to safely get it in with top 2 on neutral boards like this. If you want to fold you should reconsider your whole strategy.

Ekos · #8 03-13-2007, 03:01 PM

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Push here. If he is semi bluffing with a draw you'd rather get the chips in on the turn rather than the river, and if he has a set at least you probably have 4 outs. I think his range includes QJdd, 55, AK, and AA. Occasionally other weird hands might show up like 53s and AJdd, and he could also just be sick of your aggro ways and airballing you.

Part of the reason you develop an aggro image is to safely get it in with top 2 on neutral boards like this. If you want to fold you should reconsider your whole strategy.

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excellent post!

ibuckyourfutt · #9 03-13-2007, 03:06 PM

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Push here. If he is semi bluffing with a draw you'd rather get the chips in on the turn rather than the river, and if he has a set at least you probably have 4 outs. I think his range includes QJdd, 55, AK, and AA. Occasionally other weird hands might show up like 53s and AJdd, and he could also just be sick of your aggro ways and airballing you.

Part of the reason you develop an aggro image is to safely get it in with top 2 on neutral boards like this. If you want to fold you should reconsider your whole strategy.

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i am NOT a lag, i play a pretty snug (read: nitty) tag game... all i meant by my being aggro was that i'd been doing [censored] like 2barreling limped pots vs 2 others at the table. weve nver played any pot past the flop so his tilty sickness meter is prolly pretty close to 0

anyway lol enough of me making a big deal out of a tiny amount of hands, appreciate the input

point i probably shouldve asked in OP: if hes doing this with a draw, hasnt he manipulated his cr size so that he doesnt have to call a push? even with QdJd calling if i push isnt really that hot (calling almost 100 more for a 310 or so final pot)

J. Stew · #10 03-13-2007, 03:09 PM

meh if he's c/ring Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] he's already making a pretty big mistake when we call. plus if he has air he might halfpot bluff the river but won't call a push obv. he's def. calling a push w/ a set, maybe calling a push w/ aces/random ak, but he's prob. betting the river with those which we can call, or checking the river where we can make a value bet.