how is your handreading? - Page 9

Surf · #81 03-12-2007, 10:35 PM

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YOU'RE RIGHT. I TOOK IT OUT OF CONTEXT. MY APOLOGIES. I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU INCLUDED THAT HE COULD DRAW OUT AT ALL BUT YES I TOOK IT OUT CONTEXT

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Cal: "YOU NEED TO STOP F'ING AROUND WITH MY FRIEND, OKAY? BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING HIM HOPE, AND IT'S DRIVING THE MAN CRAZY!"
Amy: "I MOVED, I CHANGED MY EMAIL ADDRESS, MY PHONE NUMBER. HE'S PRACTICALLY STALKING ME."
Cal: "WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO, I'M SORRY."

jlkrusty · #82 03-12-2007, 11:18 PM

I put him on either:

(1) A monster: TT, 88, 77, 97, 87, etc. (possibly AA); or
(2) Air: AK, AQ, AJ, A9, KQ, K9, QJ, Q9, 65, etc.

The problem is that you've played this hand as though you have a marginal strength hand (QQ, JJ, AT, or maybe AK at the lowest). With a monster, he thinks you might call. With air, he thinks you often fold. So, his shove becomes good regardless of whether his hand is air or monster.

I think he has option 2 (air) over 27% of the time. Even though I don't like it and expect to lose more than 1/2 the time, I call.

Chaostracize · #83 03-12-2007, 11:21 PM

I think this is TTT full often. I would bet more on that turn, makes all future decisions easier and the hand plays better. If you bet 200 you can fold to the CR (which will be all in) and you can get max value against a hand you beat right there and check through the river. You are beat here a super lot.

aislephive · #84 03-12-2007, 11:25 PM

Results???

cero_z · #85 03-13-2007, 05:11 AM

Wow I am calling again with very little hesitation. The hand I most fear here is a random 7. Checking TTT on the flop seems retarded, given how often Hero will have enough to call or raise a flop bet. Checking twice, then c/r'ing is a bluff or a monster, and bluffs are much more likely. When the board double-pairs, it only makes a monster less likely. So, the only hand we lose to that makes total sense to me is a rag 7 that had enough sense to check the flop, with TTT taking a distant 2nd place. Call and look at AK or some hand with a 9 in it a lot.

Edit: Also, we have a very agg villain, a nonsensical (or nearly so) line, and 2.4:1. You don't think we're good 30% of the time here?

NDHand · #86 03-13-2007, 05:30 AM

Despite the stats, since villain is "new" as in I dont have notes on him, i'd check the turn and call/bet a decent river amount. good/bad/horrible?

jfish · #87 03-13-2007, 06:49 AM

the main mistake made by op here is that he bet turn without a clear idea on what he was doing. he wasnt sure if he was betting for value or inducing a bluff with a very small bet.

that being said, its either a 'you cant call' bluff or fh/quads. im having a hard time seeing QQ+ shove river (though i can see them checking flop and c/ring turn).there arent too many combos of fhs/quads so id call here.

i think the ambiguous turn bet without better reads is very bad.

jfish · #88 03-13-2007, 06:52 AM

also, twp + true: youre essentially arguing 2 sides of the same situation in which youre both right. hope yall figure that out soon.

TheWorstPlayer · #89 03-13-2007, 07:58 AM

uh...that's what i said

Allinlife · #90 03-13-2007, 09:25 AM

you guys are making it more complicated then it is

that turn CR is almost never Tx or 8x so when he shoves river 8 it's either 7's full or bluff. it looks like missed overs that decided to give up on co-ordinated flop then saw flop check and decided for turn cr because "nobody ever checks such flops with real hands"

snapcall it sir.