100NL Basic AK hand (poker 101) - Page 3

Speedlimits · #21 03-12-2007, 05:46 PM

gelford just c/f flop. your preflop is perfectly fine.

Novles · #22 03-12-2007, 05:50 PM

I don't mind the 4-bet, but I'd just make it a psr to ~$25. This is basically a blind battle and I hope you guys realize that saying call the 3-bet is being results oriented. No way you just call the 3-bet if button doesn't open limp. as played, agreed to c/f the flop.

Gelford · #23 03-12-2007, 05:57 PM

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I don't mind the 4-bet, but I'd just make it a psr to ~$25. This is basically a blind battle and I hope you guys realize that saying call the 3-bet is being results oriented. No way you just call the 3-bet if button doesn't open limp. as played, agreed to c/f the flop.

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OK ... Cool [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

HighEV · #24 03-12-2007, 06:18 PM

Calling as opposed to 4-betting is not being "results oriented." It's about adopting the line of play that leads to the highest overall EV. Just because someone reraises you, it does not mean that you are involved in a blind battle. Automatically assuming that you are in a blind battle in a situation like this leads to a lot of trouble.

If your opponent repeatedly reraises you in these circumstances, THEN you are in a blind battle. However, when you've just sat down, or if your opponent hasn't shown a predilection for reraising, you have to credit him with a big hand.

And, again, you don't win in shorthanded games by building large pots when you are out of position. Only time a 4-bet here is good is if you think you have huge fold equity, meaning that there will be absolutely no postflop play out of position whatsoever. I don't think there's enough FE in these curcumstances to warrant a 4-bet.

Novles · #25 03-12-2007, 06:21 PM

HighEV,

this is a blind battle. We are SB, villain is BB.

HighEV · #26 03-12-2007, 06:24 PM

Novles,

We might be in a "battle of semantics" here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] When I hear or use "blind battle," it usually connotes that people are raising and reraising with looser distributions because of play happening in the blinds. If that condition isn't met, then in my opinion, it's not really a "blind battle."

jk3a · #27 03-12-2007, 06:31 PM

well played

Novles · #28 03-12-2007, 06:32 PM

HighEV,

Fair enough. I always assume players play back light in blind battles, until proven otherwise. Just as it is logical to assume players' opening ranges get looser as they get closer to the button. This is kinda the same concept.

Jay Riall · #29 03-12-2007, 06:42 PM

Fold preflop and wait for 22. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

HighEV · #30 03-12-2007, 06:42 PM

Novles,

Fair enough yourself. We start at opposite ends of the spectrum with our base assumptions about typical players (you assume light and I assume tight). We could probably start a whole other thread on how light the typical player plays back in these types of situations [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] In the end, it's all about "know your opponents"...hehe.

May Your EV Always Be Positive!