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03-12-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: Another article on Hitler and his relationship to the church
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[ QUOTE ] As for the morality of it, the commandment not to worship idols or false gods is a moral law. The instructions to execute those who do is a civil law applicable to ancient Israel [as part of the Mosaic Law]. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] No, but seriously, continuing to say it != supporting it. And regardless, even civil laws are moral laws. The death penalty has moral implications, whether it is at its base a civil law or not. 
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#332
03-12-2007, 02:17 PM
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Re: One standard only
Your defense of the ETA astounds me. If you are sincerely interested in Basque Nationalism, then join a legitimate political group like the Basque Nationalist Party (PVN) which was around in Franco's time. But the support of terrorists like the ETA is ridiculous and immoral.
Guernica - the great question: how much damage was done by the bombers and how much by the defending militia? The facts are that Guernica was the first major experiment of aerial bombardment, and strategic targets were selected, not civilian. One cannot compare the moral culpability of an act of war versus terrorism as you try to do, especially since this was a unique and original occurrence in military history. Were there some fascist war crimes? Sure, just like some Allied soldiers committed war crimes against the Nazi soldiers. It does not render the main cause illegitimate. And the number and horror of fascist crimes pales in comparison to the Communist crimes.
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#333
03-12-2007, 02:18 PM
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Re: Another article on Hitler and his relationship to the church
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The death penalty has moral implications, whether it is at its base a civil law or not. [/ QUOTE ] See, this is the distinction I'm trying to get him to make. It is certainly hard to intuit a moral code that sometimes excludes stoning from the moral domain...but I think txag007's just may be such a code.
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#334
03-12-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: Another article on Hitler and his relationship to the church
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[ QUOTE ] The death penalty has moral implications, whether it is at its base a civil law or not. [/ QUOTE ] See, this is the distinction I'm trying to get him to make. It is certainly hard to intuit a moral code that sometimes excludes stoning from the moral domain...but I think txag007's just may be such a code. [/ QUOTE ] I see what you are saying, but Deuteronomy is laid out as a contract between God and the Nation of Israel. God gave them moral laws (such as the ten commandments), and God gave them penalties that He declared must be enacted for violations of these moral laws. The penalties are the civil laws. (They are also sometimes referred to as 'the judicial law'.) The decision to enfore capital punishment in our modern era has moral implications, but the penalties found in Deuteronomy were God given.
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#335
03-12-2007, 06:21 PM
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Your defense of the ETA astounds me. If you are sincerely interested in Basque Nationalism, then join a legitimate political group like the Basque Nationalist Party (PVN) which was around in Franco's time. But the support of terrorists like the ETA is ridiculous and immoral. [/ QUOTE ]EOKA was a nationalist organisation of militants planting bombs in colonial Cyprus against the British. At the time, they were hailed as freedom fighters by practically everybody -- except the British. After Cyprus got liberated, EOKA resurfaced, this time with an agenda against the legitimate, democratic government of Cyprus, and started planting bombs again. It was rightly denounced by practically everybody as terrorist. Same thing with ETA. When they were agitating against fascist dictator Franco, they were fighting for freedom. (They had no other option, really, than armed struggle.) But when democracy arrived, extensive autonomy (virtual independence) was granted to the Basque region, and they continued to kill people, well, then they became bona fide terrorists through and through. Not everything is the same all the time. And not everything is black or white, either. (I don't "support the ETA" at all, if you must know.) [ QUOTE ] Guernica - the great question: how much damage was done by the bombers and how much by the defending militia? The facts are that Guernica was the first major experiment of aerial bombardment, and strategic targets were selected, not civilian. One cannot compare the moral culpability of an act of war versus terrorism as you try to do, especially since this was a unique and original occurrence in military history. [/ QUOTE ]You are tying to present Guernica in many different lights, when one only suffices : The light that Picasso shone on the wretched city. Yes, Guernica was "the first major experiment of aerial bombardment" of civilians -- and it's telling that it was done by those same fascists that you said you side with in the Spanish Civil War. [ QUOTE ] The number and horror of fascist crimes pales in comparison to the Communist crimes. [/ QUOTE ]Not in the Spanish Civil War, no. And, once again : The Republican side was NOT a purely "communist" side. (But the Nationalist side was a fascist side.) Mickey Brausch PS : Recommended viewing : El Lobo. Excellent insight into an organisation of fanatics, superb staging and acting.
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