Poker - Luck vs. Skill from a different angle

[Dromar]

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What you re suggesting( that prop bets are taking some of the best players in the world down and that they are basically bad skill and unfortunante for the other players) is absolutely wrong.

If you watch many touraments you will see many people, who are short stack and desparate for chips will sometimes just push it all in to scoop up the blinds. If it is late into the tournament the blinds may be big enough to get the short stack and the other even, which is extremely fortunate for the short stack. This can also work if it is late into a tournament and everybody is barely playing because they do not want to leave when they are so close to a final table. This could be a great oppourtunity to use the prop bets to enlarge your stack

Another thing that you have not realized that some times prop bets can be used the other way around. Many times I have seen the best players in the world win a tournament by throwing enough chips into the pot to put the short stack all in. Eventually the short stack will realize that the blinds are eating up his stack and call in desparation. The player who had been prop betting usually wins.

Basically many pros use this stratedgy and it is a good one, especially in heads up play. I can not stress enough that you should change your view and plug this into your game.

If any body agrees or not please post and put it up for disscussion.

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Do you know what a prop bet is? It sounds like you're talking about shortstack play near the end of a tourney, which is completely unrelated.

In response to OP, I know what you mean. BUT, the fact that they make -EV bets at BlackJack, Roullette, etc, doesn't mean they make -EV bets at Poker. Plus, you mention some people who would fit the description of "action junkie," but you don't mention the hundreds of other less famous professionals who don't waste their money in those ways. I'd be pretty surprised if I saw Chip Reese playing craps.

[alphatmw]

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What you re suggesting( that prop bets are taking some of the best players in the world down and that they are basically bad skill and unfortunante for the other players) is absolutely wrong.

If you watch many touraments you will see many people, who are short stack and desparate for chips will sometimes just push it all in to scoop up the blinds. If it is late into the tournament the blinds may be big enough to get the short stack and the other even, which is extremely fortunate for the short stack. This can also work if it is late into a tournament and everybody is barely playing because they do not want to leave when they are so close to a final table. This could be a great oppourtunity to use the prop bets to enlarge your stack

Another thing that you have not realized that some times prop bets can be used the other way around. Many times I have seen the best players in the world win a tournament by throwing enough chips into the pot to put the short stack all in. Eventually the short stack will realize that the blinds are eating up his stack and call in desparation. The player who had been prop betting usually wins.

Basically many pros use this stratedgy and it is a good one, especially in heads up play. I can not stress enough that you should change your view and plug this into your game.

If any body agrees or not please post and put it up for disscussion.

[/ QUOTE ]omg seriously you wrote this much about "prop bets" when you don't know what prop bets are????

[Banks2334]

Bullzeye,
Post of the day. You may want to wiki prop bets.

[candyman718]

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I heavily discount the play of any poker on TV, especially HSP.

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I think they do the prop bet crap in the Big Game too. Even when the cameras aren't running. And they can easily win or lose more on the prop betting than the poker. Seems sick to me.

[candyman718]

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no, the two facts are completely unrelated. why would a handful of players' gambling habits change the nature of the game of poker?

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Why do you think the NBA and the NFL care about their players off the field activities? Because it reflects badly on the game. Poker exploded because of TV and stars were created. Most of these stars are also degenerate gamblers. Now we are in position where we are trying to get something like a carve out for poker from the online gaming bill and should we have someone like Mike Matasow as a spokesman?

[tsearcher]

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[alphatmw]

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no, the two facts are completely unrelated. why would a handful of players' gambling habits change the nature of the game of poker?

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Why do you think the NBA and the NFL care about their players off the field activities? Because it reflects badly on the game. Poker exploded because of TV and stars were created. Most of these stars are also degenerate gamblers. Now we are in position where we are trying to get something like a carve out for poker from the online gaming bill and should we have someone like Mike Matasow as a spokesman?

[/ QUOTE ]this post did not once discuss luck vs. skill of poker. what is your actual point here?

[IzanDV]

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no, the two facts are completely unrelated. why would a handful of players' gambling habits change the nature of the game of poker?

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Why do you think the NBA and the NFL care about their players off the field activities? Because it reflects badly on the game. Poker exploded because of TV and stars were created. Most of these stars are also degenerate gamblers. Now we are in position where we are trying to get something like a carve out for poker from the online gaming bill and should we have someone like Mike Matasow as a spokesman?

[/ QUOTE ]this post did not once discuss luck vs. skill of poker. what is your actual point here?

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He (probably) means that if the top-players of poker gamble, everyone will think that every poker-player gambles. And therefore Poker will be seen as pure gambling.(Wich we dont want)

[Bullzeye]

I know exactly what a prop bet is and no I am not talkin about short-stack play at the end of the tourney.

[blee24]

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I know exactly what a prop bet is and no I am not talkin about short-stack play at the end of the tourney.

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Another thing that you have not realized that some times prop bets can be used the other way around. Many times I have seen the best players in the world win a tournament by throwing enough chips into the pot to put the short stack all in. Eventually the short stack will realize that the blinds are eating up his stack and call in desparation. The player who had been prop betting usually wins.

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No offense, truely, but it sounds like you are not using the term "prop bet" in the normal way. You can not use prop bets to affect your stack in tournament poker.

Example from wikipedia:
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For example, David Grey bet Howard "The Professor" Lederer, a vegetarian due to gastric bypass surgery, $10,000 that he wouldn't eat a cheeseburger. (He did, and won.)

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Short wikipedia article