$16: pocket pairs late game (2 hands)

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #1 03-11-2007, 11:36 PM

getting desparate... ok to make a stand here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t3315)
Button (t5735)
SB (t2350)
Hero (t2100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t3290, 2 folds, Hero calls t1675 (All-In).

Flop: (t5040) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t5040) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5040) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t5040
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villain raised frequestly from btn/sb... ok to shove?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP (t3017)
Button (t3930)
SB (t1545)
Hero (t2575)
UTG (t2433)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises to t450, Hero raises to t2575, SB calls t1095 (All-In).

Flop: (t4120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t4120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4120) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t4120

eurythmech · #2 03-11-2007, 11:37 PM

I usually call the first.

The second...meh...you're not getting him to fold very often.
Usually I just let it go.

dipstikdave · #3 03-11-2007, 11:42 PM

1. close but i'd usually fold. should be able to find a better spot to open push methinks.

2. easy fold for me.

pokerlaw · #4 03-11-2007, 11:49 PM

i like the first hand call, i fold the second hand.

Kevin8423 · #5 03-12-2007, 12:49 AM

First hand I definitley call, second I fold.

He won't fold often, and youre likely looking at a coin flip situation if you aren't dominated. I don't think its worth chancing either being ITM with 1500 more chips or being down to 1000 on the bubble and taking away the shortstack.

Dr_Wonderful · #6 03-12-2007, 01:17 AM

I fold both of these hands. Most likely a 50/50 in the first with a better chance of being dominated than you dominating them. On the 2nd hand I don't see you getting much FE equity at all and again most likely a 50/50 with a decent chance of being dominated.

eurythmech · #7 03-12-2007, 01:21 AM

gee, have you people heard of "hand ranges"?

tokebowlz · #8 03-12-2007, 01:26 AM

are we really folding the sevens in that spot? id like to hear more on this as this is one of my biggest gray areas in sit n gos i seem to have trouble with

Kevin8423 · #9 03-12-2007, 01:33 AM

I think this is the point in the tournament where a flip against a decent range is not a bad thing. Blinds are 400, we have 5 of them.

Dr_Wonderful · #10 03-12-2007, 01:42 AM

[ QUOTE ]
are we really folding the sevens in that spot? id like to hear more on this as this is one of my biggest gray areas in sit n gos i seem to have trouble with

[/ QUOTE ] the 77 hand is extremely close for me. If you think that villain will be pushing any two very often than it's probably a call. I just try and be the aggressor at this point on the bubble. I would rather get a chance to push any two from the SB than call with a small pocket pair and probably be a 50/50 when I can get some FE with a push in the next hand. But like I said very close for me, would probably depend on my read on the table as a whole and if I felt like I could get some steals in. If I haven't had a chance to steal I'd certainly call, but if its been slightly tight I wold fold. Or ask my magic 8 ball, which is how I make 90% of my poker decisions... Well, all decisions, I should have listened when it said "outlook not so good" about my vasectomy.