Hi

[Skidoo]

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3 more mods.... nothing personal, I just didn't want to see any.

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Agreed, this must be the most moderated forum of all 2p2.

[/ QUOTE ]What are they afraid of? An insurrection starting from 2+2?

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Seditious writers and young rakes.

[Borodog]

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I wanted to add to this. Vigorous debate is a part of politics, but everyone must remember that you aren't going to convince that many people.

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Well, it appears the new regime's goal of squelching the postings by the only group to demonstrably, repeatedly convince many other people is well under way.

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Many people are certain enough that their position is the correct one that they believe anyone that disagrees with them must be stupid. I can assure you this isn't the case; there are many smart people that disagree with other smart people. After you state your case there is no reason to repeat the same thing over and over in one thread, so please don't do it.

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In my professional capacity as a teacher, I can assure you, repetition works. Especially is you keep saying the same things in different ways.

[Borodog]

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ACers a request.

I have a request for those of you who frequently start threads showing examples of where you believe the state is over stepping its bounds, taking away freedom, driving out business, etc in an effort to demonstrate why you hold your political beliefs. these posts are perfectly acceptable and well within the realm of political discussion

however my request is that neilso or someone else could create one thread where you then post these examples from the news and have the general debate about the merits of Acism instead of creating a bunch of separate threads.

as the thread grows and becomes too burdensome just let me or another mod know, and you can create another.

thanks.

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Can we have the Bush-haters restricted to posting in a single thread? How about the conservatives? How about we just have 3 giant threads that everything goes into? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Borodog]

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Restricting us from debating on the "general state vs no state" line is unreasonable I think.

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It would appear that in taking this approach you are running from a legitimate criticism of AC. There are some services that the government is quite good at providing.

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I too look forward to your OP on this subject.

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I am also certain the market can provide these services and deal with the free rider issues. When you retreat to the default position of the state being bad because it provides services by force you are repeating yourself rather than contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.

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It bears repeating, obviously. There is turn-over in the boards. Everyday there are new readers and posters for whom it has never occurred that if the market can provide something (as you admit), it might not be the best option to let government do it by force. It advances the discussion because the same discussion will occur a hundred times, a thousand times, as indeed it should and must.

[Borodog]

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but to put the burden on one part of the political spectrum to police their responses, to squelch their own political views and not have this apply to others feels quite unfair.


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Nobody is being asked to squelch their political views. People are being asked to respect one another. If someone wants to start a thread about raising/cutting taxes it is reasonable to expect that the thread won't be overun with people that want to talk the government being immoral. When your posts contribute nothing to the topic at hand and serve only to cause others to leave they are no longer welcome.

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Come on. If someone posts an OP on how to test whether someone is a witch, does it "contribute nothing to the topic at hand" to question whether or not we should be testing for witches? If others choose to leave because they cannot take someone questioning their premises, a perfectly legitimate avenue of argument, how is that the questioner's fault or problem?

You're simply attempting to control discussion and exclude important fundamental questions that deserve to be addressed.

[Skidoo]

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Well, it appears the new regime's goal of squelching the postings by the only group to demonstrably, repeatedly convince many other people is well under way.

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No, I do not believe that is their intention. The shinning new regime can delete my next five posts if they disagree.

What they are after is a consumer-friendly experience of this forum, like your favorite breakfast cereal. They seek the clean, and I approve of their efforts.

[Borodog]

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Is it your belief/assertion that people can not vehemently disagree on fundamental issues and also respect the person they disagree with?

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I am certain they can vehemently disagree on fundemental issues and still repsect the person. That is why I feel everyone will be able not try to shout down those that disagree with them. The shouting is going to stop now.

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Then why haven't any of the new rules mentioned addressed "shouting" instead of restricting and containing the posting of one particular group? The only group that has successfully persuaded large numbers of posters to their position, despite your claims of the virtual imposibility of this task (seemingly to justify not even allowing them to try)?

[Skidoo]

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The only group that has successfully persuaded large numbers of posters to their position, despite your claims of the virtual imposibility of this task (seemingly to justify not even allowing them to try)?

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Sorry to tell you, but the "persuasion" you imagine has been mostly a transient effect of your tactics. No permanent conversions, and many bad vibrations for this forum, have been the actual results.

[4 High]

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Well, iron was once the one and only mod of this forum in the past, and he was a liberal - and you're still here.

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BGC is not here.... He was a motivated partisan conservative.
There are motivated partisan liberals on this forum that to my knowledge are bullet proof...

Andy Fox....is a good man.
He is mature enough to separate political differences from the person.

Iron has general, been fair with me.

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How many times are you going to repeat the same whine over and over again? If you are so worried or dislike it so much why continue to post? Dont be a partisan hack like BGC and im sure you will be fine.

I welcome the new mods and i hope things do get better around here for all posters, liberal, Moderate, AC and Conservative.

[natedogg]

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How many times are you going to repeat the same whine over and over again? If you are so worried or dislike it so much why continue to post? Dont be a partisan hack like BGC and im sure you will be fine.


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He got banned for being a partisan hack? I really hope not because that would be silly. I don't know what he got banned for but I"m highly unimpressed with iron's modding and have been so from the beginning. He's a reasonable poster but a terrible mod.


natedogg