Good river check or scared money?

[IMALLIN767]

Live 1-2NL $200 10 Players
ep3-Clueless $30
mp2-HERO $230 Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
cutoff-Ultimate Calling Station $350
ep3 raises to $8
HERO raises to $20
cutoff calls 20$
ep3 calls
3 players

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
pot $60
ep3 bets $10 (all in)
Hero raises to $30
cutoff calls $30
pot:$130
turn 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets $100
cutoff calls $100
river 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks
cutoff checks
By his expression when the river fell I put him on a busted draw but by his $100 turn call it is very likely he had a weak King. My thinking was that he would not have called my last $80 with a missed draw but a check might induce a bluff. Did I miss a bet?


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[djoyce003]

the ultimate calling station as you describe him would have called your last 80 if he had any piece of that board, and since he's a calling station, he's very unlikely to bluff, bet the river. Against a tricky lag, you check/call but against a calling station you bet, give him a chance to make his most common mistake.

[kitaristi0]

I bet more on the flop. He's a calling station. He'll call a PSB.

On the river I bet again. He'll call with a lot of hands (by definition).

[TxRedMan]

Preflop: Good raise, standard.

Flop: This is one of those, do I want him in the hand or out of the hand flops, and since you need to build a roll, i like the small-ish bet, which will get you some action.

Turn: Good bet, it's highly unlikely he called you PF with J-10, which, is the only hand we're concerned about on the turn, and when he just calls, I think he's got a king or maybe a flush draw, whatever.

River: Nothing has changed now, why are we checking? The river wasn't a scare card, so why would he bluff? He has to put you on AA, KK, QQ, A-K, etc., and most of these retards are passive calling stations. Most people know you're calling $80 if they bet this river with a bluff, because the pot is big enough to justify you calling.

Dont get tricky with these donkeys, jose. Play straightforward and get max value from your hands. I'd make a value bet that he has to call with any pair, say, $40.

And no, it wasn't scared money because you were calling his last $80 if a nuclear bomb went off, so, bet the river and get paid.


Tex

[nuggetz87]

Pretty much agree with what djoyce said, with the addition that you should've raised a little more on the flop.

So yeah, vs. those ULTIMATE CALLING STATIONs, you need to extract as much money as possible with very strong hands.

[BalugaWhale]

Read: He likes to call. Action: I like to bet.

[IMALLIN767]

I agree 100% that I should have value bet this river but...
Although he was the ultimate calling station, he was fairly agressive. He just tended to freeze up & call down big bets with draws & semi weak hands like tpbk. You should have seen him when the river fell. The dealer burned & he sat up real tall in his chair & looked down through his bifocals...
When a blank hit he literally sighed & dropped his shoulders. Still a horribe missed bet?