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#12
03-06-2007, 11:28 PM
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Re: high stakes limit
I think if you need help with this you are playing the wrong game.
This decision has so many different factors when playing heads up. Recent history, reads of the player here, his perception of you... all things which are hard to address here with this limited information. 
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#13
03-07-2007, 12:10 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
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[ QUOTE ] um, standard? [/ QUOTE ] My standard answer would be c/r flop. But I'm crazy like that. [/ QUOTE ] i love players like u. get me off the hands u beat and let me put in more bets with my pairs that you are behind.
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#14
03-07-2007, 02:20 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] um, standard? [/ QUOTE ] My standard answer would be c/r flop. But I'm crazy like that. [/ QUOTE ] i love players like u. get me off the hands u beat and let me put in more bets with my pairs that you are behind. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? Are you guys serious? Have you ever even played HU above $100-$200? I'm not even bluffing here! I'll be check/raising the best hand often enough! If you really don't understand that, how are you not broke? The only answer is you don't play against decent players HU.
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#15
03-07-2007, 03:01 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
Ah 5h is a dog to a random hand on this flop. Also, you are out of position, and the opponent 3 bet you, which usually means something, as much as "high limit players" might deny it. If you don't understand this, how are you not broke?
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#17
03-07-2007, 03:49 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
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Ah 5h is a dog to a random hand on this flop. Also, you are out of position, and the opponent 3 bet you, which usually means something, as much as "high limit players" might deny it. If you don't understand this, how are you not broke? [/ QUOTE ] What are you guys smoking?!!! Let me in on it! First of all, this hand isn't even a dog to a pretty powerful Ks,Js on this flop (a hand that would no doubt be 3-betting pre-flop)!! Second, the big blind could have hands worse than KJs. Third, a check/raise gives you the initiative. There are many turn cards that make it difficult for some better hands to call. Remember how willing Victor is to outplay a check/raise here by being willing to fold hands (he THINKS) are behind, while letting the sb (bluff) his money off when Vic is ahead. Unfortunately, he conveniently fails to mention which hands he imagines as being ahead or behind. The bottom line is A5s is not a piece of cheese heads-up! Yet, you guys want to play it like it is on a Q76 rainbow board! Like I said, you'll go broke routinely laying this hand down in this spot. Also understand, I'm not saying to take it to the river EVERY time! I even said in my first response that check/folding can be ok in the right spot, against the right opponent. And I'm certainly not saying to "call" it down every time as Victor originally misinterpreted me as saying. Good players proceed as they get more information. What I'm saying is that so far, you don't have enough info to lay this hand down! You're playing heads-up and the BB 3-bet you. So what? Do you really think you can pinpoint his hand to being better than A5s to this point?
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#18
03-07-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
Except for the fact that A5s is a dog to the set of random hands on a Q 7 6 board. The fact that you are out of position makes it worse. It's not complicated at all. Ace high is extremely overrated by most inexperienced heads up players. When you make it to the river for other reasons, it's often correct to call with A high. However, building a large pot OOP with a hand where everyone folds worse hands and calls with better hands is not how to win at poker.
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#19
03-07-2007, 04:31 AM
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Re: high stakes limit
In addition, I don't want to say this is just a simulation problem. The only reason i brought that up is to show that A5h is worse than average on this flop. The real issue, like with all heads up, comes down to playability. You are out of position, so your opponent can control the pot size. It's a terrible spot. You do have to peel sometimes against certain opponents, but raising is just giving away money against anyone semi-competant.
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