Durrr vs. Aba 200/400 HU hand

[PuppyFridayYall]

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Full Tilt Poker Game #1930463919: Table Festival (6 max) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:48:25 ET - 2007/03/06
Seat 1: Luigi66369 ($69,389.50)
Seat 6: sbrugby ($144,041)
sbrugby posts the small blind of $200
Luigi66369 posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sbrugby raises to $1,200
Luigi66369 raises to $3,600
sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act
sbrugby raises to $10,800
Luigi66369 has 15 seconds left to act
Luigi66369 calls $7,200
*** FLOP *** [7c 9d Qc]
Luigi66369 checks
sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act
sbrugby bets $12,400
Luigi66369 has 15 seconds left to act
Luigi66369 raises to $27,600
sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act
sbrugby raises to $80,000
Luigi66369 calls $30,989.50, and is all in
sbrugby shows [Ad Qh]
Luigi66369 shows [9c 9s]
Uncalled bet of $21,410.50 returned to sbrugby
*** TURN *** [7c 9d Qc] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [7c 9d Qc 3s] [8d]
sbrugby shows a pair of Queens
Luigi66369 shows three of a kind, Nines
Luigi66369 wins the pot ($138,778.50) with three of a kind, Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $138,779 | Rake $0.50
Board: [7c 9d Qc 3s 8d]
Seat 1: Luigi66369 (big blind) showed [9c 9s] and won ($138,778.50) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: sbrugby (small blind) showed [Ad Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens

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I still don't know how I feel about this one.

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Aba, what exactly is PA's range here? Does he ever have AA/KK? And why aren't you sure how you feel about this one?

[AK87]

Because PA's range are only hands that have him crushed or big draws.

[punter11235]

Durrr is known premier example of how weak/tight style is enough to win even at the highest level [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ActionJeff]

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Because PA's range are only hands that have him crushed or big draws.

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ur way way oversimplifying this... assuming that this type of preflop action isn't extremely uncommon (that they don't both have very tight ranges), Aba absolutely has to stack off here with AQ, and even has to sometimes shove over the top with weaker hands... think of how exploitable it would be if aba folded all his bluffs here, as well as any made hand weaker than KK?

I don't necesarrily hate a flop check either but that mentality isn't going to be a winner against a really good player in deep stacked HU. You just have to dive in and trust your ability to make good decisions or he will eat you alive.

its more complicated than this and I might not be explaining myself well

-Jeff

[KanyeSouth]

i think pa, having put in 1/6 of a stack pf, would raise this flop with a huge range, to create fold equity for any draw, q, 9, set, kk-aa and jj-88 etc. depending on what he things sb's 4bet range is

i think sb has to commit on this flop for that reason, + what better flop for his hand is there than this, esp on a 4bet

[AK87]

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Because PA's range are only hands that have him crushed or big draws.

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ur way way oversimplifying this... assuming that this type of preflop action isn't extremely uncommon (that they don't both have very tight ranges), Aba absolutely has to stack off here with AQ, and even has to sometimes shove over the top with weaker hands... think of how exploitable it would be if aba folded all his bluffs here, as well as any made hand weaker than KK?

I don't necesarrily hate a flop check either but that mentality isn't going to be a winner against a really good player in deep stacked HU. You just have to dive in and trust your ability to make good decisions or he will eat you alive.

its more complicated than this and I might not be explaining myself well

-Jeff

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I know, like I said earlier, anyone here will probably stack off here for under 200 BBs easy in a game this aggressive. Looking at it in hindsight though, PA's range is pretty small with this board texture and the PF action that I was stating that some could fold. I think I bet and check flop about 50% of time each, but either way, I think the money is going in.

[Dr_Nick]

I think this hand bears some comparison with a hand Antonius himself played against Lodden, which he describes in this article (the two important differences being that the stacks in the hand against Lodden are twice as deep and also in the Aba hand we know there is a flush draw on board).

http://www.allinmag.com/article.php?article=617

Not that I'm anywhere near qualified, but I think this has to be a 3 bet shove for Aba because it doesn't seem as though anyone ever folds a flush draw in a RR pot at ultra HSNL. For example,

> Full Tilt Poker Game #1366814434: Table Bennett (6 max)
> $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:56:36 ET - 2006/12/07
> Seat 1: serb2127 ($28,997)
> Seat 2: Urindanger ($8,000), is sitting out
> Seat 3: Phil Ivey ($106,515)
> Seat 4: sbrugby ($46,044)
> Seat 5: Luigi66369 ($185,682)
> Seat 6: MyRenovatio ($39,940)
> MyRenovatio posts the small blind of $200
> serb2127 posts the big blind of $400
> The button is in seat #5
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Urindanger has returned
> Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
> Phil Ivey raises to $1,200
> sbrugby folds
> Luigi66369 raises to $4,000
> MyRenovatio folds
> serb2127 folds
> Phil Ivey calls $2,800
> *** FLOP *** [2d 8h 8d]
> Phil Ivey checks
> Luigi66369 bets $7,200
> Phil Ivey raises to $20,800
> Luigi66369 has 15 seconds left to act
> Luigi66369 raises to $60,800
> Phil Ivey raises to $100,800
> Luigi66369 raises to $140,800
> Phil Ivey calls $1,715, and is all in
> Luigi66369 shows [9d Jd]
> Phil Ivey shows [8c 8s]
> Uncalled bet of $38,285 returned to Luigi66369
> *** TURN *** [2d 8h 8d] [Kd]
> *** RIVER *** [2d 8h 8d Kd] [4c]
> Luigi66369 shows a flush, King high
> Phil Ivey shows four of a kind, Eights
> Phil Ivey wins the pot ($213,627) with four of a kind, Eights
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $213,630 | Rake $3
> Board: [2d 8h 8d Kd 4c]
> Seat 1: serb2127 (big blind) folded before the Flop
> Seat 2: Urindanger is sitting out
> Seat 3: Phil Ivey showed [8c 8s] and won ($213,627) with four of a
> kind, Eights
> Seat 4: sbrugby didn't bet (folded)
> Seat 5: Luigi66369 (button) showed [9d Jd] and lost with a flush, King
> high
> Seat 6: MyRenovatio (small blind) folded before the Flop

The only caveat I'd like to add is that if Antonius does have a FD I can't see why he'd minraise the flop. In my limited experience minraise in a RR pot equals a set a ridiculously high percentage of the time. Good to see the great Antonius employing the same tactics I do at 3-6 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].