Interesting question that I'm not sure has been answered

[TheDespot]

But isn't it more likely to make a flush with five cards out with A-K suited than a set with A-A?

[smbruin22]

splawn, thanks........

you and others are most likely right about AA being the most likely to hit nuts.

but aren't most 5 board card combo's co-ordinated for a straight? doing this off top of my head. and the ace on board works high and low. seems like most are co-ordinated and you have to hit the ace....

funny, didn't realize that with pair on board, nuts isn't a full house.

splawn, i appreciate your help and glad you didn't hold my prior criticism against me... your bigger than me!!! LOL

[JaredL]

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But isn't it more likely to make a flush with five cards out with A-K suited than a set with A-A?

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It's not clear, but I think the aces win this. BTW AT down to A5s make the nuts more often than AKs.

With aces to be the nuts with a set you need:
- on of the two remaining aces
- no 3 cards in any 5 in a row
- no 3 cards of the same suit
- no board pair

With AKs to make the nuts with a flush you would need:
- 3 cards of the particular suit in question
- the 3 cards cannot allow a straight flush unless the K would be required
- no board pairing

The aces would allow a lot more combinations due to not caring about what suit in particular. This would be offset by the fact that you are required to have one of only two remaining aces in the hand. If you ignore what the boards actually have to look like except that the aces would require an ace and the AKs would require 3 of that suit, there are 2*(49 choose 4) = 423752 combinations. With AKs there are (11 choose 3)(47 choose 2) = 178365 combinations.

So there are about 3 times as many boards where you get either a set of aces or quads, than boards where you get a flush. I don't think eliminating 3 or more flush boards will eliminate enough to make AKs better on flushes alone. There are more straight coordinated boards with the ace out there, but I still don't think that will be enough.

[smbruin22]

jared, thanks, good stuff!!.... and BTW, i think these discussions help your game alot, especially in something like omaha (i realize it's different structure, but still analyzing the nuts)

[bernie]

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splawn, thanks........

you and others are most likely right about AA being the most likely to hit nuts.

but aren't most 5 board card combo's co-ordinated for a straight?

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It's pretty simple. AA makes the most money, hands down. There's a reason for that.

b

[Mr Know It All]

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splawn, thanks........

you and others are most likely right about AA being the most likely to hit nuts.

but aren't most 5 board card combo's co-ordinated for a straight?

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It's pretty simple. AA makes the most money, hands down. There's a reason for that.

b

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not true sir.i lose more games wit AA than any other hand

[smbruin22]

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It's pretty simple. AA makes the most money, hands down. There's a reason for that.

b

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bernie, it would help if you read the OP's question... it was which pre-flop hand makes the most NUT hands, NOT which makes the most money thru play.

[bernie]

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It's pretty simple. AA makes the most money, hands down. There's a reason for that.

b

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bernie, it would help if you read the OP's question... it was which pre-flop hand makes the most NUT hands, NOT which makes the most money thru play.

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I read his question. It isn't that tough.

Profit from the hand is a good indicator of the question.

I still say AA will make the most NUT hands when comparing it to any other hand. It will always make the highest set. It will always make the highest str8(A-high) and it will always be the highest flush(other than a str8 flush).

Every other non paired hands needs at least 3 cards to make the nuts. AA only needs 1 card.

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[bernie]

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splawn, thanks........

you and others are most likely right about AA being the most likely to hit nuts.

but aren't most 5 board card combo's co-ordinated for a straight?

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It's pretty simple. AA makes the most money, hands down. There's a reason for that.

b

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not true sir.i lose more games wit AA than any other hand

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You may want to quit poker then.

b

[Mr Know It All]

y shud i quit?i am a pokerpro and a shark on da sharkscope i just have a strategy dat is secret and works da best