200 NL: A couple preflop hands with JJ

LuckyDice · #1 03-03-2007, 05:08 PM

My image in both hands is Taggish. I'm not a nit but I'm also not going to be 4bet bluffing people a whole lot either.

Hand 1:
MP is 47/17. Button is a good thinking player, 24/17 or so. Button and I have a little history of playing pretty light against each other.

UTG ($322.15)
MP ($263.70)
Button ($523.45)
SB ($59.15)
Hero ($184)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $6, Button raises to $21, 1 fold, Hero raises to $64, MP folds, Button raises to $523.45, Hero calls $120 (All-In).

Flop: ($714.45) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($714.45) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($714.45) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Hand 2:
UTG is 21/17. Pretty solid. I'd expect him to shove AA/KK against the squeeze.
SB is 31/17. Aggressive and capable of squeezes.
I'd normally 3bet this right away, but recently decided I don't cold call enough with big hands. UTG would definitely put me on much weaker hand, as I don't think he's ever seen me slow play at all preflop.

BB ($288.20)
UTG ($341.75)
Hero ($204.40)
CO ($338.35)
Button ($225.35)
SB ($190)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, SB raises to $33, 1 fold, UTG calls $24, Hero raises to $204.4,

shpanko · #2 03-03-2007, 05:13 PM

When someone 5-bets a cold 4-bet, they have AA/KK every single time. You must fold when button 5-bets especially if he is a good thinking player. I don't hate your initial 4-bet but you must fold to button's push.

Hand two you are getting decent odds to call and hit a set with UTG padding the pot. I like a call of SB's squeeze. If SB is squeezing lite I do like this play because he'll look you up with TT/AQ because your line looks so strange. Still I prefer calling and seeing the flop.

slickss · #3 03-03-2007, 06:35 PM

I think you are overplaying JJ. Keep in mind that with this much aggression preflop, you are playing for set value.

LuckyDice · #4 03-03-2007, 08:24 PM

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I think you are overplaying JJ. Keep in mind that with this much aggression preflop, you are playing for set value.

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Hand 1 is probably a fold after the push. I was really kinda liking the way I played hand 2 though. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] What's everyone else think?

bunga · #5 03-03-2007, 08:29 PM

Hand 1 reminds me of a cr video where I can't remember who did the same thing at 1/2. Saying that he folded to the shove. I prefer calling the 21 and seeing a flop. If he is a thinking tag you are ahead of his range a great deal here. When you 4 bet you only get called or repopped by better.

Hand 2 is sketchy at best, your line doesn't make a whole lot of sense and I can see you getting looked up with qq a lot.

spyderracing · #6 03-03-2007, 08:34 PM

Hand one is AA/KK every time.

Hand two, I'm not a big fan of stacking off JJ pf to begin with, but you're getting good odds to see a flop and attempt to hit a set/re-eval where you're at in this hand.

LuckyDice · #7 03-03-2007, 08:39 PM

But there's so much money in middle in hand 2. Obviously no better hands fold. However, SB is the only one I think that could have a big hand and even then it won't be often. Isn't picking up the pot now better then playing a guessing game in an inflated pot on the flop?