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Old 02-28-2007, 01:48 AM
theflyingcow theflyingcow is offline
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Default Can we possibly call here?

Reads: Full table of loose passives except Button who's unknown. This is his 3rd hand and so far I've seen him raise with raise preflop w/AQ in a blind battle (as SB) and value bet A-high down to the river.

Since we're closing the action, can we possibly call in a big pot like this?

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7BB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB folds, Hero...
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:50 AM
Perhan Perhan is offline
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

try C/R the turn, maybe you'll get someone else to fold and preferebly get a free river.
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:06 AM
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

In a pot that was 5-handed to the flop, no you can't call the river. You aren't good here enough.
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:11 AM
mvoss mvoss is offline
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

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try C/R the turn, maybe you'll get someone else to fold and preferebly get a free river.

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Although the pot is big, and we should try to win it I don't think it's worth it to try and semi-bluff 3 loose-passives out of the pot. I also don't think that a free showdown here is worth much since we'll practically never have the best hand here.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

I think based on your read of this player you can often call the river. I think the river's a bluff often enough. But honestly, it's really just a guess.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:58 AM
HoneyBadger HoneyBadger is offline
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

I'd just fold, altough it's painfully obvious you have a draw, I don't think this is a bluff somewhere around 10% of the time. And even if he's bluffing he might still beat you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I would've just bet the turn btw. There's 3 other players, and you have a 2 overcards flush draw to the nuts. If you count it as 12 outs you actually get value if all 3 of them call.
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Old 02-28-2007, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

Fold this, wait for better read.
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Old 02-28-2007, 04:35 PM
Apanage Apanage is offline
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

I think we have to bet turn here.
We have lots of outs and we are not likely to be raised.
And if you do bet turn. I donīt think you have to wonder if you have to call river or not.
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Old 03-01-2007, 08:19 AM
El_Hombre_Grande El_Hombre_Grande is offline
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Default Re: Can we possibly call here?

No. Too many saw the flop to beleive that no one paired, even with these pot odds. Next hand.
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