$10 180 final table hand

L_N_J · #1 02-28-2007, 08:30 AM

Villain has been raising a lot of pots from this spot. I have been advised that this is maybe a push preflop but I think this is quite risky as I have people with fewer chips and am not short yet. My idea was to bet most flops and hope he folds. As played I feel I have to get the money in with overcard and flush draw. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t62972)
Hero (t36286)
UTG (t105468)
MP (t27014)
CO (t14945)
Button (t23315)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises to t6000, Hero calls t4000.

Flop: (t10500) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

SB cheks, Hero bets 8000, SB bets 20000, Hero?

shaundeeb · #2 02-28-2007, 08:32 AM

if he raises a lot of pots shove PF, worrying about shorter stacks busting first means you will get more 4-6 instead of top 3s where all the money is. SB can not call you that light because its for more than half his stack and by calling and losing he than becomes a middle stack with a bigstack on his left.

registrar · #3 02-28-2007, 08:43 AM

Shove pre-flop, as played, go broke.

L_N_J · #4 02-28-2007, 08:55 AM

Thanks. I guess I should have shoved but I thought he would be calling fairly light as I had shoved 84o blind on blind when 16 were left and beat AJo.

I shoved here and sickeningly villain had 52. Turn 2 and river 2.

registrar · #5 02-28-2007, 09:02 AM

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I guess I should have shoved but I thought he would be calling fairly light as I had shoved 84o blind on blind when 16 were left and beat AJo.

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Isn't this a reason to shove?

L_N_J · #6 02-28-2007, 09:17 AM

I don't want to get called by Ace-x and be behind for all my chips. I'm looking for the best way to take the pot without showdown.

Soulman · #7 02-28-2007, 09:18 AM

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I don't want to get called by Ace-x and be behind for all my chips. I'm looking for the best way to take the pot without showdown.

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If you don't want to resteal 'for fear of being called by Ax' you need to rethink your approach. Also, being called light is not the same as being called by Ax.

L_N_J · #8 02-28-2007, 09:25 AM

I think my table position is fairly tricky as the shorter stacks are to my left but I have to get through the chip leader if I start shoving on them. If I know the guy is going to call a preflop shove with ace-x then I don't think I should shove preflop.

Soulman · #9 02-28-2007, 09:45 AM

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I think my table position is fairly tricky as the shorter stacks are to my left but I have to get through the chip leader if I start shoving on them.

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Yeah, if the chip leader won't let you steal the shorties' blinds, your position is a bit tricky. So where will your +EV situations come from? Restealing from an aggro guy to your right seems to come high up on that list.

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If I know the guy is going to call a preflop shove with ace-x then I don't think I should shove preflop.

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That's not my point, my point was that he will raise you with a lot more hands than just Ax.

shaundeeb · #10 02-28-2007, 09:50 AM

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I think my table position is fairly tricky as the shorter stacks are to my left but I have to get through the chip leader if I start shoving on them. If I know the guy is going to call a preflop shove with ace-x then I don't think I should shove preflop.

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Um thats an optimal situation shorties on left BS on right. You want that.